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Testing the TK Tar Baby

Started by TinselKoala, March 25, 2012, 05:11:53 PM

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poynt99

Quote from: picowatt on April 29, 2012, 10:13:53 AM
.99,

Looks good.  Regarding the 36W figure, how was this arrived at?
Same as before: AVG[V7(t) x V4(t)]

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The indicated 182ma would account for around 13 watts.
Sure, sounds about right. I will test the actual battery power and post the result.

ETA: OK, measured the total battery power, and it is +12.5W.
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=248
Towards Realizing the TPU V1.4: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=217
Capacitor Energy Transfer Experiments V1.0: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209

picowatt

Quote from: TinselKoala on April 29, 2012, 10:21:52 AM
@.99, PW:

What explains the fact that there is no difference in the current or power calcs?

It would seem to me from inspecting the schematic that there should be less current in the CVR when the FG or other bias source is connected to the common ground. However, in the TB hardware, it also doesn't seem to make much if any difference in scope traces which side of the CVR it's connected to.

TK,

I believe the answer to this is that .99 is using current probes at the indicated locations, and not measuring the voltage across the CSR for current measurements.

PW

picowatt

Quote from: poynt99 on April 29, 2012, 10:29:10 AM
Same as before: AVG[V7(t) x V4(t)]
Sure, sounds about right. I will test the actual battery power and post the result.

ETA: OK, measured the total battery power, and it is +12.5W.

.99,

Are the sim current probes AC and DC, or can you choose one or the other?

PW

poynt99

Quote from: TinselKoala on April 29, 2012, 10:21:52 AM
@.99, PW:

What explains the fact that there is no difference in the current or power calcs?

It would seem to me from inspecting the schematic that there should be less current in the CVR when the FG or other bias source is connected to the common ground. However, in the TB hardware, it also doesn't seem to make much if any difference in scope traces which side of the CVR it's connected to.
There is a difference isn't there?

With the FG connected to the high side of the CSR (schema 01 and 03), the battery power is -36W, and current -182mA. With the FG connected to the GND rail (schema02), the battery power is -32W, and current -210mA.

For the power calculations, I am using the two voltages as previously noted, V7, and V4. This is not accounting for the 0.25 Ohm value for the CSR however.
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=248
Towards Realizing the TPU V1.4: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=217
Capacitor Energy Transfer Experiments V1.0: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209

poynt99

Quote from: picowatt on April 29, 2012, 10:34:18 AM
.99,

Are the sim current probes AC and DC, or can you choose one or the other?

PW
The sim current probes are DC, so they measure 0Hz ~ 10100 Hz
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=248
Towards Realizing the TPU V1.4: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=217
Capacitor Energy Transfer Experiments V1.0: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209