Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video

[poynt99]

My guess is that some folks might be taking his "battery reveal" clue literally. Perhaps he is just indicating that "a battery source" is used, but not necessarily "that" particular battery type?

A few button cells would fit nicely inside his coils.

[Magluvin]

Ok, just responded to mr Reason(The Protector) posting at Lars 3rd vid. Mr Reason, he said Irrational, and um oh yea, Irrational, and yup irrational. Great dialog this guy. pretty much what he has been saying.

Here was my post's

   
•      Im BAAACk! Mr Irrational Myself. ;] Say what you will Dr. Im not phased by it. ;] Some others might fall for your limited dialog, but not I Sir. ;]
  Ok heres my plan. Using just a coil with a core, led, reed sw and a magnet, I will make the self runner. As assumed in the first video, and Rovella's showing.
  What really made me realize that we can have a field reversal in the coil after the first field collapse was the circuit in vid 2. Well I can get it also without the battery. Continued......
      Magluvin   in reply to     ReasonForemost 1 second ago 
     
•      Timing for the reed will be somewhere just past TDC. As most should know, when the mag approaches the coil/core, the output will be of a particular polarity. After TDC the output polarity reverses. We are only going to make use of the mag pass just after TDC. The reed will short the coil briefly causing high current to flow and a field builds. Release the reed and the coils field collapses with no load, as the led is not biased in that direction during the initial collapse. ;] Continued.....
      Magluvin   in reply to     Magluvin 1 second ago 
     
•      Since the field collapse has no load, the collapse goes all the way into field reversal and current reversal, lighting the led(load) and pushing the magnet on its way. And repeat. The mag and coil shouldnt be too close as the mag field will impede the coils collapse and reversal. So for this particular setup, energy in rotor motion will not be great, but its a beginning. ;]
  How do ya like dem apples?
  Mags
      Magluvin   in reply to     Magluvin 1 second ago

Been thinking on this all day, and that is what I have come up with.
Whether it works will find out. Coil,led and reed all parallel. Only led polarities need to be determined once all is put together.

Just throwing it all out there beforehand.


Only timing, mag and coil proximity, correct led polarity.
if the led is in first collapse capture polarity, there will be a continued Lenz when the reed opens. But in reversal, we have reverse lenz, if you can call it that. ;]
Maybe the circuit in vid 2 was too close to being what I have described, thus vid 3, "The Battery Sucker"

I love dem apples  ;]



Mags

[Bob Smith]

Mags,
After wrestling with the first 3 pages of Rovella's description to get it into a decent English translation, I too began to sense that what he was saying made sense.  Here's a snippet:

The simplicity of construction borders on impossible, as you see. It seems like a spoof, but to the rigor of logic, it appears to be self-sustaining due to the reaction of the two electromagnets which take energy from the toroids and at the right moment, throw it back in synchronized fashion; the foul deed occurs when the magnetic toroid (for example, the right-hand toroid) energizes the right bobbin, which feeds the left bobbin, which at the proper moment enters into a reaction with the right magnetic toroid, and it is only this action which becomes effective because it enters into play with the force of the magnets â€" one permanent, one electric.

He's attracted a lot of drama,
This son of Italian Mama.
First, it's working, then it's not;
Perhaps a little, perhaps a lot.

And as the drama dances on
The one time curious growd is gone
Searching for the newest thrill
- The latest, greatest OU pill.

Trust your gut, Sir Mags, I say;
And forge ahead as feel, you may.
Let not the world obscure your dreams
But challenge you to best its screams.

This mama's boy's device doth beckon,
Some who dream or build and reckon.
So heed ye well these words once sung,
Lest ye be unaware and stung:

"When you swim in the sea
And an eel bites your knee,
That's a Moray!"
(That's Mr. Moray in his sea of energy, of course )

Bob

[Magluvin]

Hey Bob
Thanks for the encouragement. ;]

Its funny. lenz makes more sense to me now.  When the magnet induces the coil, the field in the coil is in attraction with the magnet thus slowing down the magnets motion or at least applying a pulling force on it. So if the reed closes and opens for a short time, there is lenz at that time. But if we coordinate a coil field reversal with the led allowing the real BEMF to happen, and continue through the led for as along as it can, with field reversal, then it very well could work.

Tito said once that for a very simple method, all you need is a coil, diode, reed switch, and a magnet. Sounds very good to me. ;] 

Im just arranging my rotor at the moment for all N facing out with larger mags. Alternating poles would probably cause issues as the led would not be in correct polarity.

So if Zeropoints motor worked, the reed most likely only activated during a particular pole pass and not the other. The reed distance is very critical for this to happen, and I have done it before. That is before i learned to use bias mags on my reeds to only fire on the N or S pole passes. Z always said the reed position was critical.

Mags

[T-1000]

Its funny. lenz makes more sense to me now.  When the magnet induces the coil, the field in the coil is in attraction with the magnet thus slowing down the magnets motion or at least applying a pulling force on it. So if the reed closes and opens for a short time, there is lenz at that time. But if we coordinate a coil field reversal with the led allowing the real BEMF to happen, and continue through the led for as along as it can, with field reversal, then it very well could work.

Tito said once that for a very simple method, all you need is a coil, diode, reed switch, and a magnet. Sounds very good to me. ;] 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV2gvsmeM_U