Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video

[Magluvin]

Thanks T.  It would be interesting to see what level of discharge there would be without the gen coil? Might ask him. When he had the battery in for a while, the voltage was going up as compared to just the cap. But being that the battery would be dumping quite a bit of current into the cap when it is below batt voltage, the battery is probably settling back upward after the dump. or the cap wasnt done drinking yet. ;]   Ive had pulse motors that once the thing ran for hours, the batt voltage would climb for a while. Slowly but it would climb. But then it would start to go down again.

I only had one that seemed to almost never go down in voltage. Starting a run test should not be done with freshly charged batteries. It will look as if they drain a lot faster than if they were to settle down after charge first. All due to the batteries wanting to settle down during the run.  ;] it can be very dicouraging if one doesnt know better.  ;]   It can make a very good motor seem not near close yet.  Because the motor, if sending regen has to work harder against the drop that is inherent to the battery rather than just trying to maintain a voltage it prefers to sit at unloaded.

mags

[Larskro]

HI

[Magluvin]

Hey Lars

Thanks for the scope shot. I know your doing your best.
But sorry if that is not evident enough for me, but that could be a scope shot of anything really. Anything other than the motor that is. Dont take this baddly. Its just that it can be questionable just as I just described. ;]

Im not saying that you are lying Lars. Ive seen how certain requirements are necessary when showing and or describing these machines via the net in order to convey confidence to the viewers that there is no doubt that it really really seems to be as you show and describe. Some of what you have shown and described leave me to question.

Im sorry that I feel that way, but you have to understand.....

If you were to do video 1 just as you did, that would be fine. Great build and vid actually.
I would have left out the "not a fake, but" in the title, but it is what it is.

So then you show vid 2. Also a great vid showing the circuit and a battery implying that it is what you installed in those coils. But I have 2 questions..
1   The battery doesnt look like it would fit. Too long. And Im not the only one that questions it. I even thought that if you hollowed out the bolt head and the nut/bolt end, that you could possibly get it in there. Its hard to say without it in front of me. But I still lean toward not fitting. Sorry, but Ive looked and looked at it. Even the fact that your one finger next to the led lit/flashing, shows that the battery is within close enough proximity to the coil to assume as I do. Sorry again.

2   When you tilt the motor to show the top view, when you spin the rotor one way the leds are weak, but the other direction they are strong. Just messing around, I could not get that effect with the battery. But I could get it without the battery using just a coil, led reed and rotor. All with keeping the reed in one position for each test and spinning the rotor one way then the other. Sorry again, but I fail to see how you get those effects with the battery.  The battery powers the coil and then the coil powers the led. With a battery, either direction produces the same output to the led. Its not only real for me, but also logical.

But if you were able to show me the battery in the coil or even do the 2 min measurement vid I described, I would be all yours.  ;]  But you cant and I have to accept that. So what am I to do?

I can be generally friendly. But I dont know you till just recently. Let me ask you. Should I just trust anyone? Here on the net? I would love it if people could just trust everyone. But we dont live in that world. It sucks. But I believe we will be in a place like that one day.  ;]

Basically Im just trying to get down to the point of, Ok, he "definitely" has batteries in them coils, cool. Hey Lars, Nice setup! and that would be it. Nice show then on with life.

So then you get some complaints that the first circuit doesnt work. Not from me. So you post vid 3 of the revised circuit. And you already know my complaints on that. I wont repeat them. But it is questionable. And then you posted back to me that your not sure now since I pointed out that the first circuit works.

Well ok then, you forget. It happens.

But even keeping that in mind, my mind was in overdrive, thinking hmm, maybe these circuits are just afterthoughts after showing a real self runner. Maybe you cant understand why I might think that way. But after seeing so many of these things over the years, you learn to look at the details, and recognize if something is a miss. Like a judge listens to people everyday and learns what he can believe and not. that doesnt make me a bad person. Im just looking for something close to undeniable truth. Thats all. ;]  Only because it is important to me, because Im into this stuff.

Your friend Dr Reason that is posting on the 3rd vid, I really dont like the way he thinks that others should just accept it all as presented or else we are irrational, or any of the other clever words he uses to label us for questioning questionable things. And of the ones that do just accept the whole deal for what was supposedly intended by posting these vids, then they are  not seeing the details and say Good Show and move on. Well not everyone is like that.

Not everyone drinks orange juice realizing that most(brands) of it sits in big tanks for up to a year before bottling and they add chemicals to it to bring back the flavor because it is lost over that period of time. So what else might be wrong with the juice other than just taste loss over that period of time?  Well most people dont know anything at all, because they dont question or look very closely to figure it out. Just a wonderful life as usual.  But some of us do know these things and research to figure them out. Because not much of the nitty gritty makes it to the common news sources.
Some did make news on the juice in the tanks for a year, and the fungiside issue that the fda says is ok for us. Yea right. Well its not OK, over time.

Well that hurt them a bit. Ive noticed a LOT of orange juice commercials come out in the last couple months, showing orange groves and a hand picking off of the tree, but they sure as heck aint gunna show us the tanks and the chemicals, and what ever it is that they are doing.

But we are just suppose to accept that the orange picked from that tree in the commercial will be squeezed and bottled and refrigerated and sent right to the store shelves just in time for breakfast for the kids.   UUUGGG!  lol  Do ya get my drift?

Can you see the relationship between the orange juice commercials and what you have shown?  Im not saying you are intentionally deceiving anyone for sure. It could all be just how you went along with it and how it is received by some and then others. Just maybe a bit of not so good planning and or execution.  But it is hard to tell for sure. I still dont know.

I would like to. But some things just need to be cleared up thats all. Im not asking for a fight. Dr Reason gets me fired up a bit with his beat around the bush posting. I really dont trust him fer nuthin at this point. I think he is all about the idea that free energy doesnt exist and preaches it. Thats fine, but his way of teaching his religion doesnt pull me to the dark side one bit. His words are hollow, hopefully like your bolt heads.  ;]

Anyways, dont fret Lars. I posted my last post to your 3rd vid that is directed to you that you have already seen.. The Dr and I may kick it around a bit but I will leave you to your work.

Good luck  ;]

mags

[MileHigh]

Mags:

2   When you tilt the motor to show the top view, when you spin the rotor one way the leds are weak, but the other direction they are strong. Just messing around, I could not get that effect with the battery. But I could get it without the battery using just a coil, led reed and rotor. All with keeping the reed in one position for each test and spinning the rotor one way then the other. Sorry again, but I fail to see how you get those effects with the battery.  The battery powers the coil and then the coil powers the led. With a battery, either direction produces the same output to the led. Its not only real for me, but also logical.

When the reed switch shorts and the battery is connected then it's in series with whatever EMF is being induced in the coil from the passing magnets.  So if the EMF induced by the passing magnets is larger than the battery voltage then you should still be able to get the difference in LED intensities.  So you are jumping the gun in your analysis.

All:

I have read this thread from time to time and looks at most of the Mopozco clips that have been linked to.  He seems like a really nice guy.  I have seen two major mistakes made by him but no comments from anybody as to what those mistakes are.  I am being a pain the butt again but I challenge all of you to figure out what those mistakes are and somebody should communicate them back to Mopozco.  The challenge is to try to collectively "up your game."

MileHigh

[Magluvin]

Mags:

When the reed switch shorts and the battery is connected then it's in series with whatever EMF is being induced in the coil from the passing magnets.  So if the EMF induced by the passing magnets is larger than the battery voltage then you should still be able to get the difference in LED intensities.  So you are jumping the gun in your analysis.

All:

I have read this thread from time to time and looks at most of the Mopozco clips that have been linked to.  He seems like a really nice guy.  I have seen two major mistakes made by him but no comments from anybody as to what those mistakes are.  I am being a pain the butt again but I challenge all of you to figure out what those mistakes are and somebody should communicate them back to Mopozco.  The challenge is to try to collectively "up your game."

MileHigh

Jumping the gun?  I challenge you to prove that I jumped and that it was a gun I jumped over.  lol  MH just do the test. In fact, did you do the test? Or are you just speculating? Guessing? Asserting a hypothesis as fact? This must be why you said you gave up teaching people years ago.  Tisk Tisk  That was just the other day you told me that , right?  What was it, umm, well, they can read it for themselves. Where was it hmm. Was it this thread? 

I thought that possibly the magnet generation would affect the brightness also in one direction vs the other. So I had to try it. But the generation isnt much compared to what happens with the coil shorting and then discharge to the led. Just do the test.  Then do the test of just the coil led and reed, no battery.  Then come back and show me my guns a jumpin. Or, you can continue on like you always do and we should assume you are always correct. Yea right. Its all in your mind. Your loosin it bud.
  ;]

And as for your challenge. Why is it on us to look for things that you already claim to have found? What, is this a diversion?  Thats a possible bunch of people that might do it. Maybe a lot of posts too. Big Diversion.            .... like a book.

How about you just tell us what you found, and let us determine whether you are as good as you think you are?.  That is my challenge to you. Are ya man enough? 
We will see. We did this before. I predict that, well, you wont turn out to be a man. If history is a reliable clue to follow.
Or is it that only your rules apply in these discussions?    I really dont care for those rules.

Magnets