Working SMOT ramp from Tom Ferko ?

[Low-Q]

Hi all,

Here is my drum track idea.

The best to date and I have the items to make it.


Letter to follow will explain all.

Tom

The magnets around the drum track will in those positions not repel or attract the ring magnets - the only force will be the attraction of the ferrite in the magnets. The ring magnet inside the track will stick a bit to the magnets outside. The ring magnet outside will have the same effect to the magnets outside the drum track. Hmmm... I cannot see that this will work - even not after reading the letter. I'll take a closer look - maybe I have overlooked something.

Br.

Vidar

[george_roanoke]

Hello Tom, just adding my 3 cents.  I added a comment on one of your original google videos of the smot ramp.
  Instead of having your ring magnet drop off the ramp and roll, have you tried having it roll down hill ?  Than it could roll a little ways toward another set of magnets and be drawn up hill again to start the process over again.  The weight of it should be enough to keep it going past the sticky point once it reaches to top of the hill.
  So your circular track would also have hills or waves to help generate forward momentum.  I think this is one of the key (and easier) ways to create continuous motion.  The torque or inertia created by the magnet has to be enough to propel the object to the beginning of the next magnetic field (and using gravity to assist all the more with oscillating up and down track)  Or maybe a track that oscillates back and forth like the toy on the picture I'll post.
  As far as this design being useful in some way, if not by one motor maybe by many of the same design working together.
  Also, you could use a metal ring or wheel instead of a magnet.  Maybe your way works the best, just find it easier because your not fighting the magnetic pull as much.  And I got more forward thrust with steel or metal object on smot ramp because, again, there's less magnetic pull.
  Or maybe the double wheel over an inverted track as Light posted earlier (I'll repost it)

Also, as far as the magnetic gate your using and the sticky spot problem, check the topic i started here: 

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1958.0.html

Or maybe you have already.  If so, I hope it helps.


(Statement from Topic:
Here is what I see:  Magnetic Force - which can generate Torque/Inertia Force ? which can be continued by Oscillations/Wave Patterns ? which can be Designed/Engineered Mechanically.)

regards,
gr

[Low-Q]

george_roanoke:

Interesting thaught about passing the sticky point. However, a sticky point, if not stopping the magnet, it will slow down the speed of the magnet enough to not having enough downhill the oposite way to start over again. A sticky point will allways slow down the system. You must find a workaround to avoid the sticky point. There is a reason why SMOT does not work in a closed loop - all videos about them is a short simple track where the start pont is released beyond the sticky point.

To avoid a sticky point, you must find a way to balance between attraction and repel. A magnet with a piece of iron on it will repel an equal pole until the equal pole is close enough to attract the iron with the same force as the repel of the equal pole. If you can make a device that pushes a magnet into such setup, you've probably managed to avoid sticky points that slows the system down - and the only thing left is a system that speeds up the device to make it self running.

Br.

Vidar

[george_roanoke]

 
  No Vidar, I?m right, your wrong.  lol.  Just kidding?..  I see your point.  I would think the slowing down of the magnet ring would be more of an issue on a flat track.  With the track going up and down it would seem the ring , though slowed some, still has no choice but to proceed to a place of rest?which is where the magnetic field would start again.  This obviously relies on the strength of the magnets, the steepness of the incline and the weight of the ring to get it to this point.

  I believe the whole issue of the strong magnetic field slowing down the ring can be avoided though.  If the magnetic field diminished from its strongest point to a weaker one, just to the point where gravity and inertia are stronger, than the flux drag would be less of an issue.
  I tested this idea of low to high, high to low magnetic fields.  Basically creating a static magnetic field in a sine waves pattern (or oscillating magnetic field).  I describe this in more detail at the topic I started here:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1958.0.html

I also describe how to build and test this for yourself. Here is the text drawing showing the magnets stacked:


                    -
                -   -
            -   -   -
        -   -   -   -   <---small magnets stacked in half wave. 
    -   -   -   -   -       Has same effect as one large rectangle
-   -   -   -   -   -       magnet on diagonal slant.  Both produce
^                   ^       low to high field.
low               high
field              field

                   
                          -   
                     -    -    -
                -    -    -    -   -
           -    -    -    -    -   -   - <-small magnets stack in full wave
      -    -    -    -    -    -   -   -   -     
  -   -    -    -    -    -    -   -   -   -  -
^                     ^                     ^
low                 high                   low
field               field                   field



    -        -        -
   ---     ---     ---
  -----  -----  -----   <-small magnets stacked in wave pattern on this side
---------------------
   ________________   
   ________________    <--------- nonmagnetic track for steel ball
         
     --------------------
       ----- ----- -----         
        ---    ---    ---  <-- small magnets stacked on this side
          -      -       -


The drawing also describes what I was talking about as far using a metal object instead of a magnet ( the steel ball).  I have some small sphere magnets that I tried instead of the steel ball, which worked, but not as fast.

I?m suggesting all this to possibly prove the concept of Tom?s design.  The efficiency  of its speed and friction would have to be worked out later.



( Perhaps another way to say the previous statement is this:

Magnetic\Gravitational Force can be Mechanically Engineered\Designed to Oscillate\Alternate (Wave Patterns) to create continuous Torque\Inertia. )


gr

[Low-Q]

Will a sine-pattern of iron on the magnet work in the same way? I mean, in stead of stacking several magnets to achieve an alternating magnetic flux...Where it is less iron the magnetic loop-back is longer than where it is more iron....hard for a norwegian to explain.

A simple drawing will tell:

EDIT: The picture show a saw tooth pattern, but the magnetic field will not be a saw tooth pattern.

Br.

Vidar