Working SMOT ramp from Tom Ferko ?

[magnetman12003]

Hi Vidar,

I dont believe a sticky spot is present at the end of the track since either side of the track has the same polarity.  One side is north and one side is south.  Attraction is all we are dealing with here.

The terminology is called regauging.    When one ring magnet reaches the end of the track and at this regauging point the other ring magnet is at a different point on the track and attracting the track to it. That causes the drum to turn.   All the while the drum is heavier on the right side due to the displacement of the ring magnet riding inside the drum by attraction to the fixed ring magnet.

That in itself should be more than enough to allow that regauging spot at the end of the track to pass by.

Not enough power to do this??   Then lets place two wide ring magnets inside the drum "repelling" each other -- but both will run the V track.  The fixed external ring  magnet will attract both of them to the always heavy right side of the drum and it will run the track as well.

We now have 3 track runners and gravity at work with only one regauging spot on the track.  Odds stack favorably for a self running motor.


Tom

[george_roanoke]

  Tom, perhaps the weight of some rotor arms on the side of the drum will give it an extra gravity and momentum thrust also.  Like, again, the toy on the picture below.  Four arms may work the best, but initially I was thinking an arm right even with the regauging point mounted on the side of the drum, and another directly across the diameter of the drum for balance.  So when the regauging point comes around, the weight of the arm will help drive it pass that point and also help propel the drum along.  Like I said, four ( or three) may work better, as they do with the toy on the picture. 
  Hopefully the strength of your magnets are enough to deal with the extra weight.

gr

[magnetman12003]

Hi George,

Sounds like a good idea and its worth a try.

I already have a 5 pound ring magnet - 6 inches in lenght and 3 inches in diameter.  I am going to place inside the drum I already have.

Its an old 10 inch diameter aluminum cylinder shaped pot I converted balaced to perfection. The shaft is grade 316 stainless steel.  Non magnetic.  A wood or plastic drum would be much better and if this works then I will go that way. In the meantime I will use what I have.

My external fixed magnet will be 6 inches in lenght and 4.5 inches in diameter.  Its only 3 inches long as illustrated

My magnets are extremely powerful and when I made the drum work ( V track configuration) a couple of years ago it turned with great ease.   At that time I was stumped as to how to regauge the tracks ending.  I only hand held and pumped the fixed magnet near the drum to do this.

Weights at key points can be used as long as drum balace is kept in check.

I am posting a photo of the drum I have already marked out. Shown is the end and start of the V track in red ink.  I have 32 small powerfull grade 50 magnets to layout and bond to this drum surface.  16 on each side.     Tom

[Low-Q]

Hi Vidar,

I dont believe a sticky spot is present at the end of the track since either side of the track has the same polarity.  One side is north and one side is south.  Attraction is all we are dealing with here.

The terminology is called regauging.    When one ring magnet reaches the end of the track and at this regauging point the other ring magnet is at a different point on the track and attracting the track to it. That causes the drum to turn.   All the while the drum is heavier on the right side due to the displacement of the ring magnet riding inside the drum by attraction to the fixed ring magnet.

That in itself should be more than enough to allow that regauging spot at the end of the track to pass by.

Not enough power to do this??   Then lets place two wide ring magnets inside the drum "repelling" each other -- but both will run the V track.  The fixed external ring  magnet will attract both of them to the always heavy right side of the drum and it will run the track as well.

We now have 3 track runners and gravity at work with only one regauging spot on the track.  Odds stack favorably for a self running motor.


Tom

First:
The sticky point is where the magnetic poles are closest to the poles on the wheel. If he hadn't moved his hand, this wheel would stop. The wheel has the same weight all around

Second:
"When one ring magnet reaches the end of the track and at this regauging point the other ring magnet is at a different point on the track and attracting the track to it".
This will not be enough. What you do is just to make a smoother run, less force in each sticky point and less force in each "atraction modes", and the wheel will eventually stop. If you make it run smooth enough, the wheel will behave the same way as the magnets weren't there.

Third:
Why haven't he, or anyone, done this already - and show us a working machine with no human interference at all?

I'm just very skeptic, but I will always keep trying make one myself

Br.

Vidar

[magnetman12003]

Hi All,

Check out this video and you can see the sticky or regauging spot problem has been solved.  Two long V tracks are tied together.  We only need to tie the ends of one long V track with the drum V track idea.       Tom