Alternative/Free Energy Group Starting In Hampton Roads

[travin69]

Casman,

Please start your own topic for your questions.

Thanks,

Daniel

[Low-Q]

PMs don't have to lose magnetism to do work; that would defeat the purpose of calling them "permanent".  Example: a refigerator magnet does work by holding paper and the magnet's own weight against gravity, yet it doesn't lose its magnetism.  A magnet's ability to be de-magnetized is based on its material's properties. AlNiCo can be magnetized and demagnetized easily where as Rare earth cannot be demagnetized so easily.  It just depends on the type and uses.

As for the guy in the mountains, I have seen his videos, and everything seems to work beautifully.  I am building prototypes of my own designs using his process.  My design is just another adaptation of a permanent magnet motor.  It does require electrical input but uses permanent magnets do do the majority of the work.  Think of it as an electrical amplifier that uses magnets to amplify the power output.   

The purpose of this posting was offer folks in my area the opportunity to be a part of a design that has an extremely high chance of success.  In return, everyone shares in the cost and workload of the build and design.  I want to control the process locally so I know everything goes well, and can be PROPERLY documented and tested.  I have a fully equiped machine shop with coil winding machine.  IMHO, I think it is pointless to have 50 different people working on the same design in 50 different locations when that money could be pooled and better quality prototypes can be built and tested.  Case and point, look at Youtube and see all the junk people post as "Overunity".  I want to produce a product that the overunity group can be proud of and can withstand scutiny.  I have a local University that has agreed to do input/output tests of the final motor.

As the group builds and tests the motor, I will post videos of input and output meters.  I have a proper load bank to test resistive power output and will be calculating power input based on GROSS power input from a battery.  The input meter power will be protected via a blocking diode to prevent any back fluctuations from effecting the results.  The output will be from a generator that powers the load bank.  Again IMHO, this is the ONLY TRUE way to measure efficiency of a motor.

While I don't expect anyone to take me up on this, if any of you that are not local still want to be a part of my group, I can include you but you would have to make the same monetary contributions that the local members make.  In return, my group would agree to include you on all design changes, info, and any profits we realize.  All members are required to sign a 5 year non-compete agreement and all work belongs to the group as a whole.  I am serious about making this system work and I know it is about the only system that has a decent chance. 

I look forward to any comments you all may have.

Regards,

Daniel

I cannot offer you money, but I can offer you some thoughts. Magnets does not carry kinetic energy that can be harvested. Whatever video you have watched, it is probably a machine being running it by a hidden motor/energysource. Magnets does hovever carry POTENTIAL energy. To harvest potential energy, the potential has to give - meaning that the magnets will die out if you take the potential away from them. So if the magnet keeps a permanent magnetism, means that you cannot harvest energy from them - not without applying energy like you apply a generator from waterfall, or other mechanical input.


A fridge-magnet keeps the papers and notes stationary (Per definition, a stationary force is not work), and doesn't move around by themself - unless falling down to the floor if the magnetic force isn't strong enough.


No offence, but if it is money you need, you can probably go find an investor that is easy to fool.


Vidar

[travin69]

Low Q,

I appreciate your advice and counsel.  I however don't agree with you with respect to permanent magnets having only potential energy.  A rare earth magnet will keep its magnetism until it is demagnetized.  This is from either heat or with a sufficient reverse magnetic force to overcome the magnet's coercivity.  Look at AlNiCo magnets.  They are strong, but demagnetize easily.  Simply wrapping a coil around them and running current through it is enough to demagnetize.  If you run enough though it, you can reverse the poles.  If permanent magnets lost their magnetism, why would companies like GE make permanent magnet motors with permanent magnets on the stators?  They do work as they lock themselves in the magnetic flux of the armeture windings.  Permanent magnets are batteries for magnetic fields, but never really go dead.

I currently have a motor that I built that runs on permanent magnets (well, I should say the majority of the power is generated from permanent magnets; I think it is more but don't have proof yet).  I still need electrical input (but that will always be the case).    How do I know this is true?  Simple, I removed the magnets from their holder and let the motor run on the coils.  I then calculated the amount of energy that was required to stop the rotor from spinning.  It didn't take much, a few in lbs max (based on my calibrated finger).  I then place the magnets back in their holder and did the same experiment.  It took much more force to stall the engine.  Another clue that leads me to believe that I am on the right track is that the amperage draw of the motor is INDEPENDENT of load.  Voltage is basically stable as I use batteries for my power source.  Every other motor's amperage draw is based on the mechanical load that is placed on the motor's shaft; more load, more current.  My motor doesn't suffer this downfall, as it uses permanent magnets to drive it's rotor.

I am currently building an mini generator to determine just how much power I can get out of the motor.  If I can get more out than electrical input in, then I am right where I want to be.  If not, then my future changes should allow me to get there (we shall see).  Many will say that if I do get more out than I put in, that I am breaking the laws of physics and thermodynamics.  In reality I am not, when you compute the ENTIRE energy balance equation, I am well under unity at any one moment in time.  People forget to include the energy needed magnetize the magnets, which is a rather large amount of energy.  This is the fact that keeps me working on this.  I will never get more out than I put in.  Magnets don't get more powerful with you magnetize them.  They are bound by the properties of the materials used.  They do however have a force that is smaller then the one used to make them, and that basically is around for the foreseeable future (unless they are abused with heat, ect...).  This is the beauty of permanent magnets, they are permanent (within reason that is).

Thanks,

Daniel

[MasterPlaster]

Daniel, Have you seen the PM motor new design by Ufopolitics at energetic fprum? It is an inspired design ( based on the Tesla patents).  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-28.html

[travin69]

Not until now.  My motor design that I have currently is very similiar to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrJoGZy1to&feature=youtu.be) except I have a power shaft that I am building a generator for to test the output power.  My unit draws 0.6 amps at 24 volts.  Amperage is independent of load.

My new design is based on attraction vice repulsion.  Magnets in attraction are more powerful than in repulsion.  Not sure if it will work in attraction as repulsion is much easier to work with and takes less energy to negate, so we shall see soon.

I hope to have the generator built soon as well so I can test electrical output.

Thanks,

Daniel