Bessler , Karl I! The fat lady is gonna sing , haters bring it I'm not skeered .

[johnny874]

   @All,
Here is a modified version of Mt 20 with Bessler's quuote. I "harnessed" the horse in front.
This allows the "horse" to be attached to the long lever.
His Quote;
     
"No. 20: Here the previous levers work somewhat more peculiarly and raise up special weights and turn outward to the over balance. For this reason side A is always heavier, my friend supposed but I denied. I then reminded him to harness the horse in front."- Johann Bessler

edited to post smaller pic 
btw, the round points on the ends of the short levers are not weights but are designed to confuse someone hoping to find an easy solution to Bessler's wheel. Other wise, it would have been solved long ago.
                                                                                        Johnny874
       
Chris, I just gotta mention this, it isn't "I ain't skeered", it's I "hain't skeered". My mom was, is and always will be a hillybilly.   

[EMdevices]

I can relate to the enthusiasm expressed here.   I must of "invented" about 5 or 6 different Bessler wheels  at different times in the past, and each time I was 100 % sure my invention would work this time exactly as I imagined.    My logic was flawless and very clever, how could it not work I thought!   The euphoria and emotional "high" that such a mental invention generates can not be underestimated.  The eureka moment is too powerful, and can not be kept to ones self, you have to share it.   But the unfortunate thing is that after much effort to build the invention, you find out it does not work and the ensuing emotional low is hard to stomach.  The higher the euporia the lower the depression.  But, there is always a principle that was overlooked, or something new to learn, which is all worthwhile in the end, but at what cost!   




Let's talk about the wheel and the eyewitness accounts.


One of the most telling accounts is the one from Willem Jacob  http://www.besslerwheel.com/accounts.html

[/i]When I turned it but gently, it always stood still as soon as I took my hand away. But when I gave it any tolerable degree of velocity, I was always obliged to stop it again by force; for when I let it go it acquired in two or three turns its greatest velocity, after which it revolved at twenty-five or twenty-six times a minute.[/i]



Note that the wheel comes to a stop if moved gently, but if moved a bit rapidly it accelerates.  This is a huge clue, and put together with other statements illustrates the principle of operation.


In most perpetual motion machines, an initial velocity is imparted to a wheel and it keeps going by virtue of momentum and kinetic energy stored in its motion, but in the case of the Bessler wheel, the initial velocity is not storing energy in kinetic energy of the wheel, but what it does instead is store energy internally by either compressing a spring or shifting weights to one side, which is a lot different.   


The main point is this:  the overbalance of the wheel occurs under motion and is a DYNAMIC PROCESS, not STATIC, so the wheel is OVERBALANCED only when in motion.      This point is very important because if anybody tries to think up overbalanced diagrams in a static configuration they will never find the solution.  I wasted so many hours thinking in Static mode until I realized this principle.   


So, the way I imagine the wheel mechanism is quite simple.    Eight  pendulums, that only swing out to one side, and centrifugal forces displace them only under dynamic motion.   




I feel another eureka moment coming on.   


EM

[norman6538]

Emdevices,
Thanks for your report
I've experienced several Eureka-I got it for sures myself too.
I had one yesterday that failed. The idea was to shift the center of
gravity up and the mechanism worked but did not shift the CG up.

This is a great point.

"the eyewitness accounts".

It does reveal a great deal.
Centrifugal force certainly would account for the eyewitness account.

I just can't believe its gone all these years and no one has stumbled onto
the Bessler secret yet.

Thanks for the useful discussion....

Norman

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