Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[ltseung888]

@tseung888


Will you send me an already tried and tested unit, if I pm you my mail address?


Jesus

Have you got one or two DSO?  What make are they?  The connection instructions are slightly different.
Will you be willing to post your results on this forum?
I shall test it and post the results here first.  Your results will be a direct confirmation.  You can then do the improvement later.
God Bless

[ltseung888]

Hi Lawrence,

Can I purchase your fleet kit / Forever Lighted Lamp?  I could pick them up from your Tsuen Wan office or any other location in Hong Kong.  Please let me know the price.

The business people are working on the marketing strategy and pricing.
However, you can be one of the local testers for one of the units for the Universities.  There is no charge if you help in performing the tests.  It is all volunteers at present.  You may get a free meal.
Email me at ltseung@hotmal.com.

[nievesoliveras]

Have you got one or two DSO?  What make are they?  The connection instructions are slightly different.
Will you be willing to post your results on this forum?
I shall test it and post the results here first.  Your results will be a direct confirmation.  You can then do the improvement later.
God Bless

I dont think that in order to prove that your devise is overunity I need the DSO.
A joule thief is so sensitive sometimes that connecting it to a DSO will give it extra power.
Just by turning it on without the DSO and let it be, you can see if it is really overunity.


Jesus

[ltseung888]

The Input Waveforms showing that the Input Power turned negative after 7 minutes. 
The top curve was the Instantaneous Voltage.  It slowly dropped down with time as expected.
The bottom curve was the Instantaneous Current.  The fluctation got less and it slowly dropped down and actually turned negative.

The Instantaneous Input Power thus turned negative.  Conclusive evidence???

*** Average Negative power implied Feedback Circuit.  More energy went back to source than supplied!!!  This is the magic of Lead-out Energy.

*** More conclusive evidence and oscilloscope data will be coming.  This will be a very Merry Christmas for the World - especially the free energy researchers.

[MileHigh]

TK and Bill:

Just to complete the point about resonance from two weeks ago.

How does a 555 timer work?  Current from the supply source flows through a resistance to charge up a capacitor.  When the capacitor reaches 2/3 of the supply voltage a comparitor is triggered and the capacitor is discharged and the process starts all over again.  So the value of the resistance and the value of the capacitance determine the operating frequency for a 555 configured as an astable multivibrator.

Now, would you call that "resonance?"  It's not resonance and it has nothing to do with resonance.  It's just the "operating frequency" of the device that is determined by the timing components.

By the same token, a JT has an "operating frequency" that is determined by the values of certain components.  For all intents and purposes a JT is just an astable multivibrator that charges an inductor and then discharges the inductor through a load that is typically an LED or a string of LEDs.

Again, as a reminder, real "resonance" means that energy is circulating back and forth between an inductive and a capacitive set of circuit elements.  It could be an electrical LC tank circuit, a ringing bell, or when you blow air across the top of a beer bottle to make it sound a note.

Resonance is always associated with observing increased voltage and increased current in an LC tank circuit.  People see that and they think that perhaps "extra energy" or "extra power" is somehow manifesting itself when in fact that's not true.  An LC tank circuit will absorb energy to the point where it is in equilibrium - the energy being put into the storage system is equal to the energy being burnt off in the storage system.  There is a pervasive fundamental misunderstanding of what real resonance means.

So why did Bill's JT circuit make the LEDs jump in brightness when he changed the value of the base resistor?  I don't know the answer but the way to find out why is with an oscilloscope.  Like I said before, the LED will increase in brightness when the JT circuit puts more average power into the inductor.  Sometimes astable oscillators like the JT circuit will have characteristics called "metastability" where for a reason that could be determined with enough diligence and investigation, you will find that the circuit can "snap" into a certain operating mode that can give you increased brightness from the LEDs.

It's a challenge to figure these things out and you learn in the process that there is no phenomenon of resonance at play in a JT circuit.  For what it's worth there is no "lead out" process happening either.

MileHigh