Probality of God

[WilbyInebriated]

What is science?   

Things which you cannot understand,  things which are beyond the scope of your knowledge,  things which  science cannot explain -  come to conclusion  that they are wrong or don't exist.    Do you call it science?

Read Einstien's theories,  if you don't understand them,  come to conclusion that theory itself is wrong? 

With the present day's scientific knowledge can you create atleast one house fly in the laboratory without using cells of another fly?

science is NOT "things which you cannot understand"  why do you fucking moronic godbots insist on continually lying and misrepresenting?

science is a process describing the systematic study of structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experimentation. it is fallible, which is why theories are repeatedly vetted. that which stands the test of time and endless scrutiny is eventually taught for the next generation to test, improve or disprove. this is nature of science, it is not perfect but it is self correcting...

religion is not a process, scripture is not based on systematic study, words on paper do not qualify as observable, none of the fantastical events are testable or even logical. the only explanation it offers is an assertion: god did it. the claim of divine origin implies infallibility, any attempt to question it is met with ostracisation, hostility or violence. this is the nature of religion, it claims to be perfect therefore there is no need for self correction.


now... you fucking moronic godbot... for the UMPTEENTH TIME...  please present the methods you used to falsify all the other gawds humanity has created and then present the methods you used to validate your gawd.

[hoptoad]

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Science is not your tool. It is your crutch.
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Science is everyone's tool and what a wonderful crutch it is.

As we sit typing words into a keyboard and converse with someone on the other side of the world, as we still sit, probably only because scientific medical knowledge has kept us from dying prematurely, as we sit here discussing the wonderful universe around us, knowledge of which has been made all the more accessible to all of us, care of science, as we sit here, in our flick of a switch homes watching our flick of a switch entertainment, as we ..... well you get the picture. Science has transformed our lives in so many ways we take most of it for granted.

Science doesn't have all the "answers", and no scientist would ever claim it did. Nor would any scientist ever claim that all the questions have been asked let alone answered.

Science is the art of observing something, asking questions about what is observed, then seeking out the answers to those questions. Nothing more and nothing less.

Cheers

[eatenbyagrue]

What is science?   

Things which you cannot understand,  things which are beyond the scope of your knowledge,  things which  science cannot explain -  come to conclusion  that they are wrong or don't exist.    Do you call it science?

Read Einstien's theories,  if you don't understand them,  come to conclusion that theory itself is wrong? 

With the present day's scientific knowledge can you create atleast one house fly in the laboratory without using cells of another fly?

What are you talking about?  I can understand religious claims, and they can in fact be subjected to scientific scrutiny.  If, for example, you believe that prayer is effective in curing illness, then this is a scientific claim that can be tested, and for that matter has been tested (results were not favorable for prayer).  There are many other religious claims which have in fact been tested by science, and have been proven to be wrong (6000 year old earth, Noah's Ark story, many others).  Generally, what has happened is that more and more of the Bible gets relegated to "allegory" or some such, where it cannot be taken literally.


And you still have everything backwards.  No one has to prove that religion is wrong.  Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.  It is up to theists to prove that their outlandish claims are right.  For example, if you posit there is an afterlife, well explain how you know this.  And old Jewish fairy tales do not count, or I can start trotting out Lord of the Rings as evidence.

[WilbyInebriated]

They demand a silver platter exposition, a cornucopia of elemetary proof of God catered to their very laps, while blindly trusting the 'lords' of the science halls, and their horrendous history of rank revisionism and cowardly corruptions....

actually, you fucking godtard... i'd be infinitely impressed with just ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EXTANT MATERIAL EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR GOD...

i'll wait...

[WilbyInebriated]

I can start trotting out Lord of the Rings as evidence.

as it is written... who among you can deny the flame imperishable?

The Ainulindalë

    * There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Ilúvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad.

    * For a long while they sang only each alone, or but few together, while the rest hearkened; for each comprehended only that part of the mind of Ilúvatar from which he came, and in the understanding of their brethren they grew but slowly. Yet ever as they listened they came to deeper understanding, and increased in unison and harmony.

    * Then Ilúvatar said to them: 'Of the theme that I have declared to you, I will now that ye make in harmony together a Great Music. And since I have kindled you with the Flame Imperishable, ye shall show forth your powers in adorning this theme, each with his own thoughts and devices, if he will. But I will sit and hearken, and be glad that through you great beauty has been wakened into song.'

    * It seemed at last that there were two musics progressing at one time before the seat of Ilúvatar, and they were utterly at variance. The one was deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and blended with an immeasurable sorrow, from which its beauty chiefly came. The other had now achieved a unity of its own; but it was loud, and vain, and endlessly repeated; and it had little harmony, but rather a clamorous unison as of many trumpets braying upon a few notes. And it essayed to drown the other music by the violence of its voice, but it seemed that its most triumphant notes were taken by the other and woven into its own solemn pattern.

    * The Ainur know much of what was, and is, and is to come, and few things are unseen by them. Yet some things there are that they cannot see, neither alone nor taking counsel together; for to none but himself has Ilúvatar revealed all that he has in store, and in every age there come forth things that are new and have no foretelling, for they do not proceed from the past.

    * Now the Children of Ilúvatar are Elves and Men, the Firstborn and the Followers. And amid all the splendours of the World, its vast halls and spaces, and its wheeling fires, Ilúvatar chose a place for their habitation in the Deeps of Time and in the midst of the innumerable stars.

    * 'I know the desire of your minds that what ye have seen should verily be, not only in your thought, but even as ye yourselves are, and yet other. Therefore I say: Eä! Let these things Be! And I will send forth into the Void the Flame Imperishable, and it shall be at the heart of the World, and the World shall Be; and those of you that will may go down into it. And suddenly the Ainur saw afar off a light, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame; and they knew that this was no vision only, but that Ilúvatar had made a new thing: Eä, the World that Is.

    * Thus it came to pass that of the Ainur some abode still with Ilúvatar beyond the confines of the World; but others, and among them many of the greatest and most fair, took the leave of Ilúvatar and descended into it. But this condition Ilúvatar made, or it is the necessity of their love, that their power should thenceforward be contained and bounded in the World, to be within it for ever, until it is complete, so that they are its life and it is theirs. And therefore they are named the Valar, the Powers of the World.

    * When the Valar entered into Eä they were at first astounded and at a loss, for it was as if naught was yet made which they had seen in vision, and all was but on point to begin and yet unshaped, and it was dark. For the Great Music had been but the growth and flowering of thought in the Tuneless Halls, and the Vision only a foreshowing; but now they had entered in at the beginning of Time, and the Valar perceived that the World had been but foreshadowed and foresung, and they must achieve it. So began their great labours in wastes unmeasured and unexplored, and in ages uncounted and forgotten, until in the Deeps of Time and in the midst of the vast halls of Eä there came to be that hour and that place where was made the habitation of the Children of Ilúvatar.

    * And the Valar drew unto them many companions, some less, some well nigh as great as themselves, and they laboured together in the ordering of the Earth and the curbing of its tumults.




AND Ilúvatar IS PROVEN IN THE SAME MANNER AND WAY, USING THE VERY SAME METHOD THAT MAGLUVIN THE GODBOT BULLY HAS PROVEN HIS GODFAIRY...