Probality of God

[Gwandau]

Does someone who does not believe in god but lives like a saint go to heaven?

What do you think?

I put that question to the faithers in an earlier post, just to get their thought processes beyond the immediate fixation upon converting everybody, and the only response I got was.... exactly that, trying to convert you. Your question actually give them the impression that you are a potential convert. They just don't seem to have the ability to reflect upon such questions, since it is violating their life changing decision to solely rely on faith. If any respons is given, it is always in the direction of dogmatic persuation.

I told them I really did not like their god and what he stands for and my question was that if I was a good man doing everything I could to ease the suffering for my fellow humans and lived a life filled with respect for all living beings, was I then forced to live in their heaven anyway even if I did not want to? Since I obviously would not be welcome in hell, where was I to go?

As I mentioned, they did not have the mental ability to respond to my question, they just started one of their monologues.


Cheers,


Gwandau

[Trino Cularoid]

Does someone who does not believe in god but lives like a saint go to heaven?

What do you think?

My simplified version: There are different levels of "heaven" (and "hell"). Most get kind of stuck on a lower level for a while, which has a section with the angry old man and harps, another with nothingness, a section with the 72 (perpetual) virgins, etc., but basically it is what you expect, your version of heaven or hell.
Usually from there you go back to a next life. If you feel you're done, you go to a higher level which is kind of merging with groups. At the top level you're merging with everything that exists (which includes all lower levels). All these level and sections can be intersected in multiple ways so it can be quite complex and because of these many, many intersections it can look quite different for everybody.

[eatenbyagrue]

My simplified version: There are different levels of "heaven" (and "hell"). Most get kind of stuck on a lower level for a while, which has a section with the angry old man and harps, another with nothingness, a section with the 72 (perpetual) virgins, etc., but basically it is what you expect, your version of heaven or hell.
Usually from there you go back to a next life. If you feel you're done, you go to a higher level which is kind of merging with groups. At the top level you're merging with everything that exists (which includes all lower levels). All these level and sections can be intersected in multiple ways so it can be quite complex and because of these many, many intersections it can look quite different for everybody.

OK, but so long as you realize you are literally making this up, and your version is just as likely as anything anyone else makes up.  For example, I propose that the afterlife is just an endless dinner at TGI Friday's.

[Trino Cularoid]

OK, but so long as you realize you are literally making this up, and your version is just as likely as anything anyone else makes up.  For example, I propose that the afterlife is just an endless dinner at TGI Friday's.

Correct. That's also the problem to proof it. Because you can make up almost anything, you can also sabotage any proof. There are limitations where group consensus comes into play (e.g. "let's create a 'free will zone', or "let's create gravity", or "let's designate this area 'Catholic hell'"), so if you go there you're bound by certain "laws" there.

[WilbyInebriated]

they did not have the mental ability to respond to my question

that's 'par for the course' with faithers...