Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[Doug1]

Cadman
Good job sparky. You get a cookie. Now can you pick up a basket ball without touching it using noting more then two drinking glasses? Its uncanny how much the two subjects have in common.

[gyulasun]

Hi poorpluto,

Reading your posts on the tests, it seems to me that you consider the small change in the input power comsumption only when you load the secondary and then you seem to compare this small change to the secondary output power to get a certain efficiency or COP figure of your transformer.

IF my assumption is correct, then I wonder why you do not consider the total magnetizing current going into the primary coil from the 220 V mains (1.3-1.54 Amper in your first post data for instance).  To get a correct input power evaluation, we should consider the phase angle between the primary current and voltage of course, both in the unloaded and loaded secondary coil cases. But this is not the main issue though.

I understand that you suggested tuning out the primary coil reactance by a capacitor to get a resonace condition at 50 Hz. However if you think that you could benefit from the Q times increased circulating current of such parallel LC circuit at the primary, remember that the load from the secondary coil transforms back to the primary and ruin the Q,  especially when the load is a few Ohms or a short piece of wire.

Have you tested this situation?  i.e. when you mentioned 11 V AC rms instead of the 220 V input, you meant that the 11V AC voltage was coming from the secondary coil while another or the same secondary coil was loaded with several Ampers?

Thanks, Gyula

[Cadman]

Hi Gyula,

I did learn of it at the site you mentioned and yes I did the experiment myself. I used a 1/4" x 3-1/2" grade 8 allen-head bolt instead of a nail though. Other than that, exactly the same. I used #20 wire. The straight coil lifted 4 paper clips and the Tesla version lifted 8 then dropped 1. Repeated several times and always got 4 to 7. What I didn't mention before was I switched the polarity of the battery to the coils several times between each test to try and remove any residual magnetism in the bolt and used different paper clip piles for the same reason.

Try it for yourself people, don't take my word for it.

[Cadman]

Cadman
Good job sparky. You get a cookie. Now can you pick up a basket ball without touching it using noting more then two drinking glasses? Its uncanny how much the two subjects have in common.

Absolutely! I am also 8 feet tall and consume my enemies with lightning bolts from my ass

[bajac]

I am referring to the capacitance of the coils in the generator, as I said earlier.

According to the Tesla patent 512340 Coil for Electromagnets, the capacitance of this type of coil can greatly reduce and even neutralize its self induction.

Yeah I know Tesla this, Tesla that, eyes glaze over.

Want an experiment that proves something?

Thank you for clarifying it. Now I know what you were trying to say. I do not understand why you did not explain it like that from the beginning.


I always make an effort to reply to the posts even though I do not have too much spare time. I am getting behind on some of my other work because I have dedicated a lot of time to this forum for the last two months. I do not regret it at all, it has been too much fun learning about Ferranti and all others that had an starring role in the second half of the 19th century.

Get a AA battery, a long nail 4 to 5 inch, and about 10 feet of 20 to 24 gauge magnet wire and two piles of paper clips. Wind 100 turns around the nail, connect the ends to the battery and see how many paper clips the nail will pick up from the first pile.

Here you have a tight wound coil with low leakage and high self inductance or high linkage flux. Most of the magnetic flux of each wire flows through the iron nail. The nail should pick up a lot of paper clips.

Now take two magnet wires side by side and wind 50 turns around the nail. Connect the inside wire at each end together to make it a Telsa coil. Connect the two outside wires to the battery and see how many paper clips the nail will pick up from the second pile.

Here you have a loose inductor with high leakage and low self inductance or low linkage flux. The flux of the most outer wires may not even reach the inner turns because of the geometry (disk or pancake shape). The magnetic field in the iron nail should be weaker and should pick up a lower number of paper clips.

Same battery volts and current, same amount of wire, same iron, much higher capacitance, roughly twice the magnetic flux.

Have you measured the capacitance in these coils? It should be in the order of magnitude of nano Farads (10^-9 Farads or small microfarads). At 100Hz, these capacitance are not even worth of taking them into account because they result in very small time constants. Any transformer should have higher parasitic capacitance between turns, between coils, and between coils and the iron core. The capacitance of the coils that Tesla refers to becomes important at high frequencies, which correspond to the operating frequencies of the Tesla coils. I can tell you parasitic capacitance of the coils of the Ferranti alternators has no effect on its performance at such low frequencies.

Twice the flux linking with the induced = twice the emf.
The great increase in flux isn't even mentioned in the patent, and this experiment has nothing to do with the self induction of those coils, nor the resonant rise in output the ironless versions are capable of at the right frequency.

Because of the operating frequency of the Ferranti alternators, there is no possibility of having a resonant circuit.

You have been marveling at the output of the Ferranti generator so earlier I was trying to point out some general ideas and similarities that occurred to me while reading up on it.
I thought the purpose of the forum was also to discuss and learn but if you only want proofs and don't wish to hear undeveloped thoughts and ideas then OK. It's your thread.

It was not my intent to upset you. Maybe I got a little frustrated because I was not able to understand your point even though I was trying hard. I really apologize for any inconvenience.


I also want to say that I do not own this thread. Yes, I did started it, but I do not have the right to stop or prevent anyone from posting in this thread. We all just have a common interest, and we all are gentlemen.


I really appreciate your posts. I always look forward to hearing from you. Your participation has been very helpful indeed! Thanks to you, today I know about Ferranti.


Best regards,
Bajac