Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[hanon]

Guys, we should stop wasting our time with the North and South non-sense.

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This NN, SS, or NS discussion is becoming annoying and boring! It is just getting in the way of our progress and preventing us from moving ahead!

I always refers in my posts and images to the patents, in order that anyone can judge for themselves.

Bajac:  You were convinced of the success of your air gap design. Noone till nor you have reported any result which may be repeated by everyone. Later came Ferranti, and now Cook patent seems to be the one to follow. I guess you sucess , but you should recognize that are also offering diferentent interpretations.

I wonder who is "getting in the of way of our progress" ?? Because I am just helping

[nelsonrochaa]

I always refers in my posts and images to the patents, in order that anyone can judge for themselves.

Bajac:  You were convinced of the success of your air gap design. Noone till nor you have reported any result which may be repeated by everyone. Later came Ferranti, and now Cook patent seems to be the one to follow. I guess you sucess , but you should recognize that are also offering diferentent interpretations.

I wonder who is "getting in the of way of our progress" ?? Because I am just helping

Hi hanon,
I wish I could help more but I can not add much more than I'll say for professional reasons.
However warn of the lack of objectivity of thought, distraction and misinformation of people in general.

you're right, Figuera just used the letters N and S to describe the magnets in patent.
What Figuera found, was not needed to use the mechanical work to generate power as a conventional generator does.
  Electricity is a form of energy conversion!
What are the factors on which they depend to a current generation alternator?
Number of turns, magnetic field; The rotor movement will induce every 360 degrees in the stator, the movement of electrons in the stator coils thereby generating current.
These factors are present in conventional generators.

Another way of generating power more efficiently, us that would eliminate the friction and the rotor Lenz effect.
Figuera discovered another way to induce movement of the electrons much more efficient than conventional.
How can vary given magnetic field without the mechanical work to cut the magnetic lines?

The figuera device using a switching system in which the resistance varies in intensity over the 360 degrees.
This current variation will create the necessary movement in the magnetic field.
The configuration of the coils must be oriented NN repulsion CW -CWW.
And why? Every 90 degrees north-east from coils, changes to North-South
this and the reason why the capture coils are oriented between the coils CW CWW.
I hope you take something out of my thoughts.
greetings

[nelsonrochaa]

Hi hanon,
I wish I could help more but I can not add much more than I'll say for professional reasons.
However warn of the lack of objectivity of thought, distraction and misinformation of people in general.

you're right, Figuera just used the letters N and S to describe the magnets in patent.
What Figuera found, was not needed to use the mechanical work to generate power as a conventional generator does.
  Electricity is a form of energy conversion!
What are the factors on which they depend to a current generation alternator?
Number of turns, magnetic field; The rotor movement will induce every 360 degrees in the stator, the movement of electrons in the stator coils thereby generating current.
These factors are present in conventional generators.

Another way of generating power more efficiently, us that would eliminate the friction and the rotor Lenz effect.
Figuera discovered another way to induce movement of the electrons much more efficient than conventional.
How can vary given magnetic field without the mechanical work to cut the magnetic lines?

The figuera device using a switching system in which the resistance varies in intensity over the 360 degrees.
This current variation will create the necessary movement in the magnetic field.
The configuration of the coils must be oriented NN repulsion CW -CWW.
And why? Every 90 degrees north-east from coils, changes to North-South
this and the reason why the capture coils are oriented between the coils CW CWW.
I hope you take something out of my thoughts.
greetings

I forget a thing :

They find that the functional circuit is just what shows in the patent?
For sure, only describes the main concept and most important.

[bajac]

I always refers in my posts and images to the patents, in order that anyone can judge for themselves.

Yes, but that is not enough! Whenever a person proposes a new layout or idea, that person should justify through explanation why whatever he/she proposes will work. What I seen from you until now is "this device is similar to this one and it should work."

As we should already know, the big majority of the patents do not provide a justification for the operating principles of whatever they claim. It is done like that because in addition to running the risk of screwing up the patent if they are wrong, a theory of operation is not really necessary for securing an invention. Unless you are 100% sure that you are right, it is never recommended to add formulas and/or theory explaining what makes your invention work. You could do that in papers or journals outside of the patent businesses. That is why the Buforn patents are so bad. He added a lot of stuffs that in addition to be wrong, they are not required to get the patent. By the way, If you asked me I would say that I consider Buforn to be a charlatan and a thief. Not only Buforn tried to outsmart his master Figuera by later adding a lot B.S. not needed information in the Figuera's patents, but this guy tried to take away from Figuera the name of the invention. In 1908, the patent called the device "Figuera's generator." Then after Figuera's death Buforn wanted to change it to "Buforn's generator." I consider it an act of treason.

All of the Buforn applications(?) are obvious copies of the Figuera's 1908 patent. In any other patent office, those are not valid applications. Did Buforn ever get a patent on them? It is clear to me that Buforn was not smart enough. Buforn was trying to steal Figuera's 1908 invention and He thought it could be done by adding an explanation of the operating principles.

Bajac:  You were convinced of the success of your air gap design. Noone till nor you have reported any result which may be repeated by everyone. Later came Ferranti, and now Cook patent seems to be the one to follow.

And I still are! At least I have given the reasons by using a mathematical and/or logical approaches to explain how overunity migh be achieved. If I am not correct in the interpretation, you should prove me wrong. True I have built couple of prototypes based on Figiuera's teachings, and I have failed. But it does not mean that Figuera's device does not work. I did learned two ways these device should not be built. And I shared this information with the forum. For example, I warned the members of the forum that I was wrong when I considered that the Figuera's generators did not need a sufficient amount of iron core. I consider it a contribution even when I failed! Building an apparatus is not an easy task and if I can help people by saying "this is what I built and it did not work", then I am making an important contribution.

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I guess you sucess , but you should recognize that are also offering diferentent interpretations.

Yes, but there is a difference in our methods. I have never said "I think this device I am proposing should work, go ahead and build it for me." It is not fair for the forum members. It is up to each person to build whatever device he/she is convinced would work.

There is nothing wrong in proposing an apparatus. However, it is not a good idea to direct people to build it for you especially when a logical explanation for why that apparatus should work is not being provided.

I wonder who is "getting in the of way of our progress" ?? Because I am just helping

YOUR CONTRIBUTION HAS NEVER BEEN IN QUESTION!
Hanon, your help on disseminating the Figuera's work is recognized by me and by all people in this thread! And for that, we all feel in debt with you. I apologize for offending you. I guess I got frustrated and I was carried away for what I thought was a waste of time,

[hanon]

Bajac: I won´t answer your statements about me. I will just quote here a paragraph from the 1908 patent, for your consideration:

"
The machine comprise a fixed inductor circuit, consisting of several
electromagnets with soft iron cores exercising induction in the induced circuit,
also fixed and motionless, composed of several reels or coils, properly
placed. As neither of the two circuits spin, there is no need to make them
round, nor leave any space between one and the other.

"

This is what patent says. The rest are interpretations.

I understand that my view is "annoying" and "boring". Sorry for "annoying" you. Sorry for "boring" you. Sorry for quoting the patent literally.

I won´t repeat again anything that I had already posted before. I just tried to get people aware of that. You won. Now you have free way to "get ahead in the progress" of your proposal.