Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[TinselKoala]

if you look at it all equipment is rated to fail above 270 volts at 50 hz and at 60 Hz I think they are all rated or manufactured to fail even earlier.  If your voltage exceeds 270 circuit breakers will cut in. Only some old lamps can withstand above 300 volts.

That's just silly. "All equipment"..... LOL. You can't be serious. Go ahead and google "480 volt equipment" and you'll see all kinds of consumer and industrial items that are designed for this voltage. Eat dinner in a large restaurant and your food is likely being cooked in a 480 volt convection oven.  Your statements can be demolished one by one, simply by Googling the appropriate search terms.

[NRamaswami]

Ha Ha..Our Good Friend TK is finally here to knock me out...I'm honored and obliged today.

Why don't you list list of equipment that would fail below 270 volt and equipment that is rated above it. I'm not going to do it for you for every one knows certain facts..What is the voltage of the majorirty of the equipment used..Why don;t you say high voltage transformer is an equipment designed to work at thousands of volts. What about the microwave oven transformer. Does it work without the step up transformer placed inside..

Now what are you going to do if I show a COP>1 device based on exactly the suggestion that I gave above. Build a solenoid. place secondary coils around it for many layers and surround it with primary, put iron between layers of primary and let primary and secondary wires be in contact and then again surround the primary with the secondary..If I show a COP>1 design will you show a video of your doing a Sirasasana.. standing on the head rather than legs.. It is a Yogasana good for your health only..Are you ready? If I cannot do that I will do that. Ok..

Do you know how to do that Yogasana first?

Regarding your hint not to use AC to make permanent magnets..it is what you call hilarious. Permanent magnets if surrounded with a coil and supplied with AC will lose their magnetism completely or most of it is gone and only residual magnetism will remain. It is the method of demagnetising. Why are you giving super hints..

Regarding the COP>8 device will be shown here after it is tested by an independent High Voltage Laborartory of repute and then can be shown here as video with reputable witnesses present. Until then it will not be shown here and it is not even in my office but in another place in dismantled condition. When we go to Lab we will need to wind it before their eyes and only then it will be taken up for testing.

Any one can check readilly..Wind a solenoid (minimum 4 inch dia) and 12 inch tall with secondary coils up to 6 layers after that for every layer of secondary layer put plastic iron plastic ( actually it is preferable to put plastic iron plastic between each layer of secondary) and after 12 layers of secondary is over wind a multifilar primary coil (10-12 filars minimum) Primary and secondary wires must touch each other. Put plastic iron of 2 inch thick and plastic between each layers of primary wind for about 4 layers. Then start winding again the secondary coils as before with plastic iron and plastic between each layer. So you end up with a big bulky magnetic coil. There should not be iron present between primary and secondary and the wires of primary and secondary must touch each other. Don't cheat here.

If the voltage is more than 600 volts in the secondary it is a must to put plastic sheets in between secondary layers as a safety measure. Better put plastic iron plastic. Iron can be soft iron rods or soft iron sheets. If you are going to use iron sheets use at least 3 mm thick iron sheets. Very thin iron sheets tend to get rusted and are very sharp and cause injuries to us when we handle. So I prefer to use iron rods to avoid that.

Plastic iron and plastic must be placed between layers of the same wire and must be present between layers of secondary and layers of primary. Coil will weigh heavy. Connect both the secondaries in series and all the coils are wound in the same direction. Check if the output voltage from Secondary is more than 400 volts. Then you check what is the input to the primary coil as input wattage and check what is the output wattage from secondary coil.

Both wires are of the same gauge. Secondary wires must be twice the length of the primary Any one can do it. COP>1 will be there. If you want to get more output surround the secondary again with a plastic sheet and then more iron. Test it yourself I say..I will also show some device next week built like this.

Iron rods conduct electricity. So don't get near them. No water any where in the room. If you do the experiment correctly Primary will not consume more than 220 watts at the maximum.

My suggestion hereinabove should not be construed as encouraging you to do the test. If you do this experiment you must cover the floow with plastic and thick wood and wear rubber shoes and rubber gloves and keep yourself at quiet a distance from the coil. Keep the coil in the horiontal rather than vertical position. Primary must be 10 or 12 filar or more primary which plastic very thick iron rods and plastic placed between the primary layers. I'm not responsible for any damage or injury or death that may happen due to your electing to test it due to carelessness and negigence on your part and if you do this experiment you are doing so on your own volition and you indemnify me that I'm not liable for any damage, injury or loss caused to you. Do not do this experiment unless you have the help of people skilled in handling high voltage. The secondary would produce both high voltage and high amperage and so it is a dangerous device.

[Doug1]

NRamaswami That effect of using layers of iron then insulation then coil is described in one of Tesla's ring distribution patents which was mentioned many months ago maybe even last year. It maybe the case that an electromagnetic field can be thought of like radio waves where the number of receivers to a transmission do not diminish the input power to the transmitter directly. I would like to point out one of the references figurea makes in one of his patents where he compares his coils to a rholmkoff coil then makes a distinction between his coils and those in that he is not used a group of them in his generator. If he used a single core covered with several layers of coil and each layer was treated as an independent circuit he could make his combinations of series parallel in part or in any combination for either or both coils N or S and allow Y to be common output coil. The voltage once increased to matched the load would have to be again reduced to match the voltage best suited for the inducers to reach the maximum and minimum magnetic saturation. For that you have to look at the method provided in only one of the forms of the patent which shows the resistance array. Power is fluctuating between coil sets using resistance to direct it to the right set of coils in the right time frame. When the field is in a state of collapse back emf spikes high and short in the case of a rhomkoff coil to make the spark but I think here the resistance array prevents it from discharging in that way and slows it down so it can follow the path into the opposite coil. The back emf becomes a controlled source of power to operate the next cycle suppressing the power from the source if the two voltages at that point in time are matched. I will dig out all the quotes and references later after work to prove my point for sake of constructive argument.       

[NRamaswami]

Doug1:

My apologies. I cannot indulge in constructive arguments for I can only state my observations. There appear to be methods by which the primary input has not effect on the secondary whether the secondary is loaded or not. I'm aware of at least one method tested and verified. That will look stupid to say that but it works.

The second method is the one where Figuera made the input from N magnet to go from inner to outer and the other input in S Magnet to from outer to inner but at the same time maintained the North South Polarity to make them opposite poles. I do not understand what happens but in one electromagnet the process is one of implosion where the magnetic field is forced to go to the center and the other one is explosion where it is ejected out as explosion but the coil geometry forces the magnetic field to focus on the center. And I must admit that I did not use Pulsed Dc in my experiments whereas Figuera seems to have used pulsed DC or unidirectional current of a wave form similar to a sine wave form.

I have never understood why he used the resistor array. To me it appeared to be redundant and is not needed. I also did not think that the commutator was needed. Since he indicates that the When N Magnets are strong S Magnets are weak and S magnets are strong N magnets are weak I thought what is this..If we use AC N magnet is going to be strong once and S magnet is going to be strong next 50 times a second and then it becomes some thing without any moving parts and so why did he use that cumbersome method. So I thought he was diverting the attention of the reader and used a tactics to divert the mind of the competitor.

When the Primary is surrounded on both sides by secondary it does suffer back emf but it keeps coming to it in opposite directions and so the effect due to back emf diminishes. The effiency has been measured by us from 98% to 116% but fluctated with the input voltage from the mains. If the input voltage went up the efficiency went up and if it went down the efficiency was down. Here current fluctations are very heavy.

I apologise. I'm not trained in theory and I cannot understand much of the material especially if it involves electronic circuitry and devices I made are simple coils.

Regarding the position of the plastic insulation to separate layers I understand that it is a standard practice when high voltage is expected to prevent sparking between wires in adjacent layers. I used to put in iron sheets but the wires got hot and so put plastic iron and plastic and the iron sheets are very sharp and are very difficult to handle and cause scratches on the hand however carefully we handle them and so we started using iron rods and incidentally there is gap between the iron rods however closely we wind them. Does that have a bearing on the result..I do not know. I can only confirm what I have seen.

Possibly had I used thicker wires that can carry high amperages the output wattage might have been COP>1 at lower voltages than 350+ but I did not have the funds to buy them and these are very expensive coils and I was building large cores. 

My only feeling after doing the AC thing to power the N and S Magnets were this..Why waste the magnetic flux that is available in the two primaries. So I wound under the primary and then oh..magnetic flux is still wasted from the primary at the top and so let us cover it as well and covered it as well. It is a simple common sense approach. Not a scientifically calculated one and I do not much of calculations either.

There is in fact a problem that I face with the device that shows COP>8. It is not fixed and it can easily be increased. But the problem is that when we connect to a load all five coils may or may not be in phase and voltagesmay not merge. This is a problem faced in the electricity generation when the power generated has to be given to the grid. I considered the use of phase correction Run capacitors but I was told that they are for a fixed load only and it cannot be given to a variable load. Some times even without the load the voltages do not merge if the wires used are old wires and had been cut many times and are many joints in the secondary coils. When voltages of all the coils do merge (and most of the time they merge when we use new coils and do not cut them unnecessarily) the output power is COP>8 and can be much more except for the rule that voltages above 660 are pretty dangerous to use when high current is involved (I may well be wrong but I had to take decision at the side of safety of the people working for me and myself) and we had to be very careful and we did not have people to who are trained in High Voltage Electricity.

Only recently that I was appointed as the Patent Counsel for a Large Educational Institution and then I had the opportunity to obtain a patent for them and then I could ask them a lot of questions and get some guidance and go to the High Voltage lab. Probably only by the end of the month they would test.

Yes you may well be correct why the resistor array is there in the Figeura patent..But unfortunately I do not have the competence to understand it.  Secondly I do not understand circuitry very much. Possibly because I have people to do these circuit things here too many I did not focus on learning it. For magnetism there was none and so I experimented and learnt a bit of myself. I'm not able to understand how the magnetic amplifier control concept works to this date and how the variable magnetic amplifier control concept works.

This topic is based on Figuera Patents. Only three people were involved in the experiments conducted. An Electrician who is no more. Myself and my car driver. My driver had a blood clot problem and I had a mild heart problem last year and the Government here gives Rs.20 lakhs as grant for research projects if we build a prototype but that funding has been stopped for two years now due to funding problems with the Central Government. May be they will start accepting the applications again from October. So we put all this in public domain.

As Bajac stated the Figuera central coil is free from Lenz effect and the primary input remains the same irrespective of the fact whether the secondary is loaded or not. Why it happens is some thing beyond me and I'm not competent to discuss it really. I do not have that much of knowledge. My apologies.

I can easily have the device reconstructed and demonstrated but then our good Friend TK will say do not trust meters and trust the oscilloscope only and I do not trust any body only. Ignoring this what I say alone is correct attitude, the voltages are not going to merge if the frequency and phase is not the same. I do have some from some competent people and they use some simulation software and each one is experienced and each one comes out with a different wave form for the Figuera device and the only common thing is that it shows two waves at 180' opposition always which I understand shows that the waves come from a coil placed between opposite poles. Quite Frankly why we posted the material is that it can be taken forward by others who certainly have more knowledge than me. This is a very expensive project and all I have seen is that most people are only inclined to talk or argue but do not take action. Without experimentation and observation with an open mind, this process cannot be understood.

The only advantage that I have is this..I'm not a trained person and I do not require any certificates from any one and am not dependent on this for a living nor do I have to write an examination and accept some thing that is written as truth, by heart it and go write the exam and fix my mind on the concepts I studied. That is the advantage I have here. Most of the people in this forum appear to be quite senior people and most appear to be retired people. I'm not sure really.

[RandyFL]

Here in the states... 3 phase transmission lines come from the substations and street transformers use single phase distribution to our row of houses... a set of three or four houses use a single transformer ( from a single phase distribution line ) and this transformer provides 2 120 lines and a neutral... the 2 120 s provide the 240 for stoves and a/c or and other equipment... a single 120 provides creature appliances... Businesses use 120, 208, 240, 480 and etc because they are using 3 phase equipment designed for their particular work and they get a premium on the price of electricity... 3 phase equipment is naturally more expensive but cheaper to use...

Most ppl could careless where electricity, magnetism or fossil fuel comes from or how to use it... My wife for example doesn't even put gas in the car... she uses a key, gas and brake pedal and the a/c..............................................and the driver's wheel :-)