Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[NRamaswami]

Hanon:

I must apologize that at the moment I have no funds to replicate the Figuera device. My technical expertise as is known is limited. I have spent a lot of money already and actually I'm struggling to complete the two different designs I have built. I will do this 1908 Figuera design when I have funds. I have big difficulty understanding circuits as I openly admit. I was also under the impression that N1 to N7 progressively gets stronger and S7 to S1 progressively gets weaker or vice versa. But the circuits are confusing. And as you yourself say if the input was 100 volts and 1 amp the resistor array would waste current and that is what made me feel that the resistor array and commutator are diversionary tactics which is normal in patent drafting to misdirect competitors. I have no bias and I apologize for that impression conveyed. This device requires about 200 kgms of Iron for using AC and would need 800 kgms to 1000 kgms if we pulsed DC to avoid saturation. Possibly that the reason why the 21 cores are shown. But it is both difficult to get soft iron and very expensive even here to get soft iron.

Let me complete what I have here and then let me replicate this device if funds permit. I thank you very much for at least agreeing in part that the AC device uses the principles of the 30378 device. Frankly I do not think so and the device design is based on misinterpretation of the 1908 patent but uses the design of the 1908 patent. So I have kind of taken things from here and put it there and it kind of worked and I have to check how to ensure that all voltages from five different secondaries merge when on variable load and not on a fixed load. To me it seems that the best way is to use phase correction capacitors and then convert to DC and charge a bank of batteries a fixed load and then invert from DC to AC. All this requires significant expenses at my end. Let me first complete it and then come back. For a 12000 watts unit this requires a lot of batteries and custom built inverter etc etc and it is not clear if all this would when combined work as anticipated.  And it is another question assuming that they all do whether they can keep running the device in a self sustaining way. At the moment We stand at where we stood in 2013. Build the device, replicate it and understand the principle, and then give it to earth.  R&D is not easy and especially if one were to use his own funds and borrow and return to friends to do R&D..This is all I can demonstrate to the High voltage lab also and they have other facilities to test and see fixed load variable load and conversion to DC and charging of batteries and then inverting. IIT Madras estimates that the losses involved in conversion of AC to DC and then again DC to AC and then losses at the consuming AC unit to be 50% of the originally generated AC output. So after all these losses whether the Unit can self run is another question. Ultimately they may declare that it is not a cop>8 design but after all these losses are taken to account it may well be around COP>2 only. Any way some contribution from a person without technical background and dedication and commitment to spend own money and demonstrate a working device and put it up in public domain for all people throughout the world to use.

Today Figuers Patent would be refused if you apply for it. Both EPO and USPTO and other patent offices refuse to grant patent to any device that claims more output than input. Only some exceptions can be shown to this general attitude. This is one more reason why I put the device in to the public domain.

Let me focus on work rather than posting here..

[forest]

no,if you prove the external energy source field being used like sun radiation for example

[Doug1]

Sorry I was not able to get back right away. Tending an injured horse that needed round the clock monitoring. Trading off with family members so we could also work and get a couple hours of sleep. Any way the resisters are set up so the current has a better or poorer path.There is always a path. when in combination with two paths the total always equals the full current that one coil can use before ohms law limits it. It's just directing where the quantity goes very rapid.  Im really tired and have to grab an hour of sleep before I hurl. I dont need sympathy I need sleep.

[TruthHunter]

I was intrigued enough with Kelley's report of NRamaswami's generator to join the forum.   

I have read the available information from time to time over the years, and always backing off because of lack of good info.  No useful theory, incomplete info, or
trivial results(Bedini motor) convinced me I would be wasting my time.  Perfect case in point is Figuera's device. Many excellent minds, 158 posts
and no  working device that resembles the patent...Except NRamaswami's device.

WERE YOU PAYING ATTENTION AS TO HOW THAT CAME ABOUT?   


Anyway here I am. I am thinking I can scrape together a smaller scale replication.

I have broused through this forum a little more and find much of what I proposed needs modifying. Kelley's document is far from complete. I may collect all of RN's  suggestoins in a document... While a smaller device may be possible, it will require
careful thought. I think I can use the magnet wire, but will not be able to wind it tightly. If the device is dependent on capacitive effects, the dielectric of the insulation may be important. The thin enamel may give too high a capacitance.

At one point, I had an enormous pile of scrap security bars. It would have been enough to make the full core. I gave them to a step son-in-law. 
I do have some...
At any rate I have a nearly full 10 lb spool of 14 ga magnet wire(~2 mm^2 area) which is about 800 ft./240 Meters.   I am considering buying regular 14/2 house wire and
strip the insulation to get sufficient additional.(Wrong! just leave it!) I plan to space the bare wire with paper(I know tedious) and Urethane each layer  as it will take a long time to order more wire where I live. (I think I may be able to layer tape or plastic between layers and space the windings enabling me to still use the magnet wire.) (After do some calc, I find I need at least 180 M additional wire. That's far too big a project to strip and insulate)  Unless I can come up with a test device that utilizes much closer to 240 M, I will have to wait.    Can 14 gauge be used in such a way as to produce sufficient field strength???

Basically, there are twenty windings. 12 at average diameter of 8.2 cm which gives approx 280 M(2 multifilar primaries)
                                                            8 at average diameter of 6.3 cm  making                   140 M( 8 layers of center winding) (wildly innacurate)

I am thinking of using pvc  pipe only as a form to bring the windings closer to the core(Cast the core, tape, and wind directly on it). I'll pack iron bars and wire( to fill spaces), immobilised with red primer(I believe  that "roaring" is a "bug, not a feature")  I calculate 11-12 Kg of Iron??  (~1500 cc) Seems low...did I miss something?(Now I see, I need to leave space for air circulation...I might still immobilise and reduce the roaring losses)

Half the wire area should handle half the current. For a similar B density, I believe I  would need 7 cm tube and 5 cm(locally available is  3" and 2"...will have to recalc) for the center instead of 4"/10 cm and 2.5"/6.3 cm.   90 turns should take up about 15 cm so the whole device will be about 50 cm long?? ( Now I'm thinking keep the core  diameter and make shorter coils.)

If I can get the square root of RN's current and 3 kw, it would be a roaring success. Actually, was thinking (I/2)²/I²

Any obvious errors?

However, what can I do with only 240 M?

[NRamaswami]

TruthHunter:

The concept is so simple and you do not need to follow me every step to replicate.

If you have a 12 volt 16 amps transformer about three to five layers of that on P1 and p2 can act as primary.

The secondary must have 7 layers under S1, seven layers in S2, 2 layers in S3, 2 layers in S4 and 7 layers in S5.

connect like this. S1-S3-S5-S2-S4 and that will simplify the connections and use either single wire if possible. Wire should be insulated wire and we have stressed that or you need to put space between enamalled magnet wire and mild plastic sheet between layers..Do not understand where you got that idea of removing insulation..Just plain wrong.

If you do not have adequate wires use only S1-S5-S2 in that case use 9 layers on S1 and 9 layers on S2 and 7 layers on S5. As far as possible use thicker wires in secondary than in primary.

The problem with this approach is that Iron can get heated unless you have big mass of iron. We use both big mass and multifilar coils to increase the magnetic waves and reduce the primary input. Multiple magnetic waves going one after another is like sending high frequency current. Small small chunks but lot of them that creates a lot of waves that support each other. I made two small cores for a table top design I promised but I have a big problem. Lost a major case and have to prepare the appeal and so I will not be answering or posting here for some time. I have to make a living. And losing a case is a bad thing. Please use the opposite poles of the primary magnets and place the middle coil to be lenz free. I believe with just a single transformer and by using a 6 inch dia plastic tubes as Primaries and 2 inch dia tube as central secondary by winding on all three you should be able to see COP>1 easily.

Actually that is a very efficient design but unfortunately it has five secondaries and four of them suffer from Lenz law effect. The two secondaries one below the primary and one above reduce the backemf but Lenz law effect is there.  While you can see the central coil functioning properly I do not know if the voltages of all five coils would join..(for me some times they do and some times they don't and I don't understand why they would not join. If you want to create a COP>1 design I would recommend that you look at Buforn last patent and use the central cores alone and replicate that. The straight pole as we have seen is the most efficient one. Many such small poles would be needed. Secondary wire must be thicker, longer, have more turns than the primary wire. Please do not forget that and do not assume wrong things like removing insulation with great effort.

You must use insulated wire and do not remove the insulation. Read the patent and the pdf again please before you waste your time and money.

Wish you all success.