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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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forest

Interesting...would that mean every power generators in power stations having MW of output power generate unshielded electric field in copious amounts ????

Doug1

Flux linking can never yield more then the total amount of watts used to produce the primary field. 2 apples + no apples is still 2 apples or less if someone takes a bite out of one.
  A none rotational generator has fewer possible variations to induce by way of a magnetic field using a current into a separate circuit. The time it takes for the field to build up to a usable strength against the opposition of self inductance of a coil is too slow.Using extreme amounts of power to over come these things is too wasteful and will prevent it from being able to use a small portion of the output to excite the inducers. It will require a fast acting magnet using the least amount of power or what ever will provide the same as seen from the reference of the induced circuit.
  Rotating generators do not reverse the field by changing the direction of current in the rotating magnet. If they did they would be self powered transformers. It takes a considerable amount of force from a prime mover to rotate the magnet when powering a load in a rotating generator. Far less when just running with no load, that difference is the amount of resistance set up against rotating the magnet from the self inductance that resists change coupled with the resistance to change in the load circuit. The clock wise counter clock wise stuff is to use a coil with a larger amount of area using both ends of the magnet. With one pole being north which the lines of force leave from and south pole being where they return to the two coils have to be reverse wound so current is forced in the same direction through both coils even though the field has both directions seen on the ends,one comes out the other in. Check it yourself with the right hand rule.

antijon

There are actually two types of induction used in rotary generators. I've been doing a study on this but it gets me confused.

The first type uses flux cutting. If you google ac generator you'll see the first image, however, this is not how a typical generator works. Flux cutting can be demonstrated as a single conductor moving through a magnetic field. I think this is a spatial phenomenon because atomically, I'd say that the magnetic field has more difficulty penetrating the interior of the wire than it does penetrating the outer edges. This causes the electrons to twirl around the outside edge of the conductor as it passes through the magnetic field, similar to how Ed described magnetic current... Anyway, when the conductors in the image are straight up and down, furthest away from the magents, it's said to be the "neutral zone" where no current flows. This is only true with flux-cutting generators.

The typical generator uses flux linking. In the 2nd image, a single large magnet rotates through pole faces. As the armature rotates, the amount of flux linked to the stator changes from 0% to 100% back to 0%. In this, I can only imagine that current travels the same as in a transformer, away and back again.

The difference between the two generators is that the flux linking can be used as a transformer, extremely inefficiently as Doug said, but the flux cutting cannot.

marathonman

To whom are you directing this at Doug1 because no one ever said  the currant was ever reversed at least from me it wasn't. i am ware of this and also that the right hand rule is observed in my proposal ie...CW, CCW ect.... just as you were stating.
in figueras situation Flux cutting seams to be the obvious  with only three cores butted up against each other. flux linking would be beside each other .

Doug1

 At no one in particular Marathonman
  There is a pattern where by confusion sets in and everything goes side ways. I was not arguing your point I was excepting it with the addition of reason.

  Three coils on one core is linking same as a trafo they are not side by side but inline. There being few exceptions.