Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[norman6538]

There is some Figuera discussion here that you should follow.
I hate to jump all around to other forums but its important.

see
http://forum.hyiq.org/thread/clemente-figuera/

Norman

[marathonman]

Statement from (sparky) Floyd Sweet

" Why the field of a magnet is not the property of the magnet: First the electromagnet – it takes power from a source to initiate and bring to steady state the field of the magnet. Once the field is stabilised and the exciting current is no longer changing, no further power is needed from the source. The only power required is that needed to support the I2R losses due to the ohmic resistance of the conductor comprising the coil of the magnet. This loss appears as heat.

Now we have a magnetic field, a potential source of energy in existence without support of the source of power to the coil. True, the moving charges through the copper conductor are accompanied by a magnetic field, also true this field requires no power from the source. As stated, the only power is that supporting the I2R losses. Then the field due to the moving charges is not a property of the current drawn from the source but a property of incoherent energy quanta in the surrounding space interacting coherently with fields produced by moving charges on the electrons in motion through the coil."

In a standard generator you have the power (DC) to the inducers on at all times in which you would think it uses a lot of power but if you did you would be mistaken. as per the post on Sparky Sweet once the field of the electromagnet is brought up to working conditions the currant to the inducers just passes by as if it were a straight piece of wire. this is because once the field is established, it can not hold any more in the field per the amount of currant so the currant draw on the inducers is reduced to that of just the IR2 losses from the wire to maintain the field needed. since there is residual magnetism in the inducers it does not require flashing of the inducers to get a magnetic field to produce power once rotated. rotating the rotor through the magnetic fields causes a increase and decrease of magnetic flux as per Faraday's laws of induction.

In the Figuers device we have the exact same thing except the flashing has to take place every time it is shut off and restarted.  again once the field of the inducers are brought up to working conditions the power used to create the magnetic field is reduced to the currant used to maintain the magnetic field which is the IR2 losses.

since we do not have a rotating rotor how are we to get motion into the secondary when the secondary and the primaries are stationary. you move the magnetic field presented to the secondaries which causes induction as per Faraday's laws of induction. by manipulating the currant in the primary you cause the magnetic field to increase then decrease in strength which is the exact very thing as a standard generator. the only difference is once the secondary creates a opposing field to the first there is no way to bring it back to the other side once you push the opposing field across the E field. so Figuera put another inducer on the opposite side of the secondary to push that field back across the E field to the opposite side of the secondary. in doing said action one of the primaries has to be reduced and one increased to get full motion across the secondary but in doing so the reducing primaries E field is reversed to match that of the rising electromagnets E field causing the square of the two output.

you only reduce the primary to just clear the secondary then back up to full potential reducing the opposite primary at the same time. by keeping the primaries in complete unison the power from the output will rise very rapidly producing a substantial amount of power from a small device. this operation uses very little power to fluctuate the field back and fourth just like a standard generator except the fact that in the standard geny you are rotating a HUGE mass of iron through the north and south fields with MASSIVE LENZING EFFECT and in the Figuera device you are fluctuating the weightless massless field back and fourth only replacing the power of the reducing electromagnet to full potential which is very minute plus standard losses from wire and heat ie. IR2 losses.

Ain't that right Doug.

so on that note i will leave it to your imagination as to which one produces the most output compared to it's required input.

Marathonman

[marathonman]

 I can not emphasize the importance of reading and understanding the patent using the tools and know how of that time frame of the turn of the century.

in the patent it specifically says and I Quote, " To fix ideas is convenient to refer to the attached drawing which is no more than a sketch to understand the operation of the machine built using the principals  outline before."

and

" Let be "R" a resistance that is drawn in an elementary manor to facilitate the comprehension of the entire system." end Quote.

so if it is just a drawing for understanding of the system and the resistance is in it's complete elementary form then thinking of that time frame this really reduces the outcome of the possible uses he used and implemented in his device.

IF R has some resistance but is NOT a resistor as stated in the patent of just some resistance then how could someone reduce the currant without using resistors that waste power like no tomorrow through heat then we are left with ONLY ONE LOGICAL OUTCOME and that is magnetic resistance.

very few used this technic to manipulate currant and Tesla was one of them. Figuera on the other hand figured out that by putting winding's on a iron core (Amplifying self Inductance) with a rotating positive brush he could split the feed into two and manipulate each side of the brush keeping them completely separate with north opposing fields and vary their currant in absolute unison. this allowed Figuera to get his primaries a very orderly rise and fall of currant presented to them and maintaining the required pressure for a specific output.

the pressure between the primaries is directly related to the number of field lines thus the intensity of the E field presented to the secondaries. if this pressure is not maintained between the primaries the induction will fall to that of just the rising electromagnet.

Marathonman

[marathonman]

If your device does not operate with the actions or parameters of the last few posts then i hate to be a bearer of bad new but you are NOT building the Figuera device.
and i really hope your guidance isn't from PJK as that description on youtube is laughable at best.

Marathonman

[marathonman]

In the Figuera device the primary electromagnets are never taken to zero. the reason is like trying to use AC in the Figuera device is that if you take the electromagnets down to zero it will take to long of time to build up the magnetic fields to proper field strength as it has to plow through the resistance thus loosing coherency between the primary electromagnets which equates to loss of induction from the reducing electromagnet. even in a standard generator the field magnets are on full all the time.  Figuera did NOT reduce the electromagnets down past 1/3 to 1/2 which allowed his electromagnets to remain in coherency of E fields doubling the output.  the time it takes to reduce the electromagnet to 1/3 then to full power and reducing the other at the same time is so small that the Primary electromagnet E fields remain in total coherency as the reducing electromagnets E field is reversed to match that of the rising electromagnet E field.

According to Maxwell and Faraday all that is needed to produce electricity is a rise or fall of magnetic field strength like that of a standard generator but in the Figuera device to keep the two primary opposing fields coherent he only reduce them just enough to clear the secondary then back up to full potential reducing the other side at the same time.

what this did was allow the field magnets to retain 80 to 90% of there field strength and still get the required reduction and rise of magnetic field  strength to induce currant flow just the same as a standard generator but in a stationary scenario.

i posted a graph of the window of currant required to keep the primary electromagnets in coherency. part G allows this to happen when the brush rotates around adding and subtracting winding's that magnetically link or unlink to the system allowing an orderly rise and fall of currant through the primary electromagnets. part G also stores and releases energy into the system which aids the rising electromagnet to counter act the potential drop of the rising side of part G. part G also splits the feed into two and keeps them separate by using two North face magnetic fields allowing them to remain separate but in total unison keeping the primary electromagnets in total coherency. yes there is always some resistance in part G as it never reduces it's fields in the core to zero just like the primaries thus a magnetic field is always present reducing or rising of the currant flow to the primaries.

so as you can see part G CAN NOT be replaced with electronics or at least with no less than a truck load of parts and i find no personal satisfaction in that.

it is quite funny when the truth is right in your face how silent the crowd becomes. the best advice i could give is open your ears and listen to the rotation of the brush and how the currant is being raised and lowered. DUH !

Marathonman