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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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bajac

NMS,


Thanks for your response. But, I also wanted to ask you, how easy is this application to use? I tried a similar application before and it was not user's friendly.

NoMoreSlave

it is the simplest one and very convenient for what we are doing hier!
in youtube you can find some tutorials to speed up the learning curve.


hanon

Quote from: bajac on February 07, 2014, 08:57:41 PM
Hanon,


I have thought a lot about why Figuera's patents look so incomplete. Were these patents tampered with after filing? Patent #30378 reads "...for this generator whose form and arrangements are shown in the attached drawings, ....and the induced circuit is marked by a thick line of reddish ink..." Was there more than one page of drawings? Where is the thick red line representing the secondary coils?


It is very suspicious!!!

Hi all,

First I really feel very happy after watching the forum response to the new enthusiam injected by NMS. I am really glad for the collaborative side of this forum and I have noted that many people keep on flowing this thread although sometimes may seem to be idle. Many people is folling this thread because we know of the potential of this device. Soon or later we will change the world. I will kile to help more with the test but my equipment and knowledge is very limited.

NMS, You are free and welcome to improve my traslation. For taht reason I kept in the pdf files the original spanish text, in order to avoid loosing those details in possible future translations. If you get a finer translation please send them to me for uploading and updating those in the website www.alpoma.net

About the question from Bajac the 1902 patents:

I went twice to the Archive of the Spanish Patent Office. I could get the patent 30376,30377 and 30378 which were not yet into the public (previously just 30375 and 44267 (the one form year 1908 were public). Those patent were very damaged by humidity (you can see it in the drawings) that the clerks in the archive did not let me to scan it. I could open the documents, read them and make pictures of them. You may order by email a scan of any historical patent  to the Archive and they send it to you by email  but They don´t scan those damaged patents, so I had to go there to look for some pictures by myself. Even in one of them I was advised by the clerk to not to open it. As I was sat in a far corner from the clerk and he was sat oriented to the other side of the room I did not make any case of his statement and I opened it to make the pictures... All for the betterment of this world. I confess that some sheets were really damaged and I broke some edges slightly during my work. But as a counterpart now we have that info to share it and IMPLEMENTED!!

Figuera filed 4 patents in 1902. Four days after filing them we have a telegram published into a newspapers where he stated that he had sold the patent to an international banker union.

In the patent attached files I could find that originally there were no more drawings than those we have. In the patent data base it is written the number of drawing: 1 drawing or 0 drawing, but noone with  2 drawing. Also in this patent database it is written the number of copies provided by the the author during the filing. In all cases Figuera gave 2 copies of each patent.

But in the files there is now just one copy of all of them, except for the patent 30375 that the file contains the two refereed copies. In the case of patent 30378 were the "reddish ink to mark the induced wire" is missing I have always wonder if the second copy would have drawn that line. I don´t know what happen to the second copy.

One month or so after filing the patent it is published in the Patent Office Official Bulletin that Figuera  was requested to correct some formal requirement into the patent text. The patent were noted to have some details missing (as polarities, wire connections or even the scale of the drawing missing). Figuera were advice to correct those formal requirements in certain period of time.

As he did not correct those details the patent were cancelled. The cancellation appeared in another  publication of the bulletin. I didn´t realeased this info until now because this is the proper kind of info that non-believers use to attach. Please note that Figuera did make many public demostrations and he had many witnesses of his generator. He was a high reputed man of his time. Non-believers: the cancellation was just consequence of not correcting the formal details, not because as you will be saying that the patent validity

I thought for myself that as Figuera had sold those patent he had no more intention to keep them in force, so maybe he refused to correct those requirements.

What it is really true is that after selling the patent there were 6 years where there is no mention to Figuera. He stopped appearing in news papers and nobody else keep on talking about his system. I am afraid he was forced to keep silence

He just filed his 1908 patent one or two weeks before his death. I think he wanted to leave his legacy with this patent. If he was about to die maybe he did not take care of the prior non-diclosure agreement that maybe he signed with his good friend the bankers, those who undertook his invention from the world.....Always the same history.... Now In Spain we have a 25% of unemployment due to our crisis (created just by the bankers and the politicians...


Regards

a.king21

Hanon: Many thanks for your brilliant detective work.
I have a couple of questions.
In the UK copies of patents are held in Reference libraries up and down the country.
Is there a chance that there may be better copies in the Spanish reference library system?
In the UK there are also technical journals in the library system.
Is there a chance that there are old Spanish technical journals  dealing with Figuerea's inventions?

bajac

Hanon,


THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION!!! It is really educational.


I think if you release all information including the bulletins, there will be more people involved trying to solve the Figuera's puzzle.


Even though a patent represents a protection of an intellectual property, it is treated like any other property deeds. Once sold, Figuera no longer had any legal authority to answer to the Patent Office Actions. It is clear that from the beginning the true intention of the Bankers was to just let the invention die.