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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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NRamaswami

A patent can be filed without any detailed description and diagram and it is filed only to get a priority date. That does not require full disclosure. This is called provisional patent application.

Figuera filed four provisional patent applications. If it is not followed by a complete specification within 12 to15 months, the patent would be deemed abandoned. The banks after purchasing the patent, did not file any thing. They simply abandoned all of them. At that time the requirement was not to give full and particular description so that another person skilled in the art is enabled to replicate the patent without undue experimentation.  The requirement was a reasonable description and then a working prototype which is similar to the description.

The last of the Buforn patent contains a lot of information that in general view can be considered nonsense. It may well be the most important patent.

All of Figueras patents patent and devices are based on one single principle...Not theory..Understanding is different implementation is different..

The principle as I understand is this..

An induction motor works because the RPM of rotor is less the RPM of Rotating magnetic field created by the current supplied to it. It then has Torque. If the rotor were to be rotated faster than the RPM of the rotating magnetic field of current supplied, induction motor becomes induction generator. This requires application of additional mechanical energy not only to rotate the rotor but also to overcome the opposing forces due to Lenz Law..

Similarly if the secondary of a transformer is made to have a higher speed for the rotating magnetic field that of the primary inductor rotating magnetic field, the transformer would become a generator. It is an extremeply simple  principle ... This is what he has done in this device..That is the problem to be solved here..So he kept it as secret by wording things without disclosing how the devices are arranged and what is the pole orientation. Even more Amazingly the drawings show that the only 50% of the primary had the iron core and secondary which had iron core all over it had a gap between the primary and secondary where the iron core was exposed to air..What is the arrangment of Poles. It is certainly North - x secondary- South of the core or South -x secondary-North of the core..Just see the drawing. Is it possible to make the secondary to be wound ccw while the primary is CW.. Then why half of primary is empty.. why so much core was exposed to air..That is what we are all not able to agree and understand.

Amazingly Bankers control every thing.. In India it is usury if one individual were to give a loan to another person at any thing above 18%. But this is not applicable to banks. Banks charge on the credit cards 47% per year..and they try to keep the person indebted all the time..A banker would not pay a single penny, paisa to another person unless they get value for their money. It is in their blood. I think I have a fair idea now..

Gyula I need your help..What is magnetic flux cancellation.. I'm not able to understand it.. Please clarifiy..And what is addition of magnetic fluxes and how do these both are done and please give  me examples.

I'm still reading a book by Howard Johnson who created the permanent magnet motor and Howard Johnson says that the Magnetic flux created by like poles facing each other is three times greater than the opposite poles facing each other..This is what Doug has also said and I tried it without any success. But Johnson is also saying what Dough has said and gives experimental data to support it..I'm completely foxed. There is some mistake here.. Possibly the pole configuration is NS-SN-NS  There is no difference to what Doug said but the arrangment is reversal of secondary..I will check it and report. 


bajac

Quote from: NRamaswami on March 08, 2014, 06:12:39 PM
The banks after purchasing the patent, did not file any thing. They simply abandoned all of them.
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If this is the case, then, a published patent application that is abandoned becomes part of the public domain and can not be enforced, which makes it free for the taken. It does not sound right. Why would the Banks paid so much money for a patent that they would not have been able to control or legally prevent someone from using it or selling it? I think it is more likely that the bankers tampered with the patent from inside the office before it was published.



QuoteAt that time the requirement was not to give full and particular description so that another person skilled in the art is enabled to replicate the patent without undue experimentation.  The requirement was a reasonable description and then a working prototype which is similar to the description.


From the beginning, the main goal of the patent system has been to promote innovation and stimulate the economy by benefiting inventors and the public. It benefits the inventors by giving them a 20 years monopoly to make money out of the inventions. And, it also benefits the public after the expiration of the 20 years by allowing competition which brings prices down. It also does not sound right if the patent system allows and awards patents to applications that none one can replicate and the owners can maintain a monopoly indefinitely.


QuoteThe last of the Buforn patent contains a lot of information that in general view can be considered nonsense. It may well be the most important patent.
I disagree with that but I know this patent will make a lot of people happy who believe that the 1908 patent is incomplete and requires capacitors, grounded electrodes, oscillation systems, etc.

QuoteAll of Figueras patents patent and devices are based on one single principle...Not theory..Understanding is different implementation is different..
I totally disagree with this statement. The 1902 and 1908 patents work on different methods (that you call principles). I already described these two methods in a previous post.

QuoteAn induction motor works because the RPM of rotor is less the RPM of Rotating magnetic field created by the current supplied to it. It then has Torque. If the rotor were to be rotated faster than the RPM of the rotating magnetic field of current supplied, induction motor becomes induction generator. This requires application of additional mechanical energy not only to rotate the rotor but also to overcome the opposing forces due to Lenz Law..
I agree with this statement, which is just the classical explanation. But, recall that these motors and generators are built according to specific and approved standards. For example, in United States these machines are specified and built using IEEE and NEMA standards. The benefits of using the standards is that their simplified mathematical models can be used to design and built these electrical machines. If you deviate from these standards you will need to use an analytic process based on electromagnetic waves and electric power theories. However, using these standards is what makes these machines (transformers, motors, generators) inefficient by forcing the output power to be lower than the input power. And then, because the engineering books are written around these standards, they make you believe that the overunity phenomena is an impossible event. This is the reason why these standards do not apply to machines such as Figuera's.

QuoteSimilarly if the secondary of a transformer is made to have a higher speed for the rotating magnetic field that of the primary inductor rotating magnetic field, the transformer would become a generator. It is an extremeply simple  principle ... This is what he has done in this device..That is the problem to be solved here..So he kept it as secret by wording things without disclosing how the devices are arranged and what is the pole orientation. Even more Amazingly the drawings show that the only 50% of the primary had the iron core and secondary which had iron core all over it had a gap between the primary and secondary where the iron core was exposed to air..What is the arrangment of Poles. It is certainly North - x secondary- South of the core or South -x secondary-North of the core..Just see the drawing. Is it possible to make the secondary to be wound ccw while the primary is CW.. Then why half of primary is empty.. why so much core was exposed to air..That is what we are all not able to agree and understand.
This is a very confusing paragraph. There are not rotating magnetic fields in transformers. You do get a rotating magnetic field in the 3-phase stators of motors and generators due to a specific configuration of the stator winding. In transformers, the transformation is due to a changing or alternating magnetic field. To my knowledge alternating and rotating magnetic fields are not the same.
We need to be very careful when we say "an extremely simple principle." Simplicity can become complicated based on the level of details used as a reference.
I do not understand the rest of the paragraph. Specifically, what Figuera's device are you referring to? I strongly recommend to show sketches of the configuration you are referring to. Include as much details as you can such as magnetic field, etc. A picture is worth 1000 words.

QuoteAmazingly Bankers control every thing.. In India it is usury if one individual were to give a loan to another person at any thing above 18%. But this is not applicable to banks. Banks charge on the credit cards 47% per year..and they try to keep the person indebted all the time..A banker would not pay a single penny, paisa to another person unless they get value for their money. It is in their blood. I think I have a fair idea now..
I am really surprised. I do not understand how India can afford any economic growth with such a high interest rate. I am sorry to hear it because I have a lot of friends from India.

Quote... and Howard Johnson says that the Magnetic flux created by like poles facing each other is three times greater than the opposite poles facing each other...
This phenomena is usually explained graphically in the books. For example, look at the figures for like and unlike poles in this webpage: http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/electromagnetism/magnetism.html 
and pages 4 and 5 of this PDF http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/cymbalyuk/lecture21.pdf


The magnetic field of unlike poles fuse together as a magnetic line from the north pole will connect (become) one with a magnetic line of the south pole. That is , there is a continuation of the magnetic line from one pole to the other. On the other hand, the magnetic field of like poles will repel  and compress each other one next to the other. The more you force the two like poles together the more magnetic line are compressed in a smaller space resulting in a higher magnetic density.


Whenever I need to learn about something new, I usually buy the books with a lot of sketches and figures. I really hate the books that only have text and equations. They are not good for learning as opposed to the books with sufficient visual aid. These books are more expensive because it takes more time and resources to make them. For example, see this PDF document: http://www.physics.ucf.edu/~roldan/classes/Chap27_PHY2049.pdf ( Notice the difference?)


Lastly, I normally do not have (and do not spend) so much time writing a post. However, I see that you have a good attitude and high motivation for learning. It is admirable.


Bajac




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dieter

 l googled without success, so I repeat my question: does an inductive load alter the permeability of the core material?


I am not talking about heat that may be caused by induction and then has an impact on the permeability. I also don't mean the influence of voltage drop by a load. What I mean is, is there something like a reverse lorentz force that is a counterforce against the elementary magnet particles as the cost of induction.


I tried to test it with a magnet loop that had a core with a coil as the botton side, hanging in the air. The core was attracted only slightly, as little as possible. Short circuit of the coil did not make it fall off, a little pulse from a 1.5V battery did (only in one polarity of the battery). But I'm not sure if that means much.

forest

You don't need books to find that like poles push harder then opposite poles attract. You need just two magnets with a hole in center and a piece of wood rod.  ;D  If you stick rod to the wall and glue one magnet to the wall then you can measure whatever you like.Simple like that.

NRamaswami

BajaC:

I thank you very much for your kind word and I'm obliged.

We are now living in an information age. Situation in 1902 and 1910 is total lack of information. Information is very hard to come by.

In 199/97, Indian Patent Office Branch at Chennai had only one Computer. We cannot get any information as Patent Journals had only titles, names of inventors and in rare cases abstracts of patents filed. And it would take months to get a complete specification of a patent already published. Now it is not so. At that time 93% of patents filed in India are from overseas clients only.

Secondly you are thinking that if a patent is filed and then not followed up it comes in to the public juris automatically. It does not. A provisional patent application is never published. It remains secret and will be abandoned and will not be publised if a complete specification is not filed within 12 months. So the best choice for the bank that bought the Figuera patent was to abandon the application..The only person with knowledge of that invention Figuera has been paid off and cannot disclose and cannot compete. So it is as good as highly classified secret. Except for your efforts and for the efforts of Hanon no body would have heard about Figuera. So we do not get to know any thing about any other invention.  It is probably a mistake of the Spanish patent office to have allowed Hanon to view the archives or probably there is a law as to when the provisional applications that are not followed up can be deemed to come in to public domain in Spain. Ok. This is why we have no information about others. Thanks to Buforn we have information about the 1908 patent becuase he obtained the patent, demonstrated it and maintained it. In my view, Buforns statements are accurate. I beg to disagree with you on this point.

You can easily see this. Earth is a highly charged massive body that keeps rotating. A body that rotates must come to a stop unless energy is continuously supplied to it like an electric motor receivng electricity. A rotating charged body sends electricity either from the circumference to the center or from the center to the circumference. Now we do not feel this current. We are acclimatized to it. But from where does the Earth gets its energy to continuously rotate? Solar radition and cosmic radiation. The atmosphere is full of electricity. It is seen from lightenings. So Buforn is stating his views. Simply because it does not fit in to the academic texts it does not mean he is wrong. Polar light discharges in polar regions are believed to have millions of amperes and voltage. They have to spread out in the atmosphere. Never mind we cannot perceive it. We do not see air also. But we keep breathing air..Atmosphere is full of electricity is a fact. If we make a device that can interact or act as a medium between Earth and atmosphere it can produce a lot of energy. Tesla coils are one such examples.   

Regarding the transformers, I apologize for the miscommunication but the core concept is simple.

If the secondary of the transformer is made to function at a higher frequency than the primary, the secondary would produce more power..It will then become a kind of an induction generator. It is a question of increasing the frequency of the secondary..Is it doable..I do not know..But if it can be done, then we have a device that can produce more output than input.

While the magnetic flux is higher when like poles face each other, they apparantly tend to cancel each other out. But let me test one more possible configuration and then confirm to you.

Thanks for the links and I will study them.. I'm very obliged. In India we do have a big problem which is not being acknowledged nor being reported. Banks have stopped given  personal loans and every small business is hit. I have clients all over India and from 23 other countries and most Indian businesses small and medium ones are now having big difficulty.