Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[forest]

NRamaswami

I completely agree with you on that topic. Someone need a fresh look of what is happening to realize that rotation of Earth cannot be a passive action due to some starting point in very ancient times. Energy must be supplied continously to rotate such a mass and there is a big chance it is not gravity source. Interactions between planets should very fast stop or disturb that constant rotation if it is passive. Somebody should compute the total energy required for Earth to rotate as today, but that require detailed knowledge of internal structure of Earrth. Very rough computation shows incredible billions of joules per single man on Earth. Drop it to like 1MW per man and I think we could be in safe margin. Except who need 1MW ? 
To summarise : constant rotation prove active character of force, small disturbances may indicate reaction to other planets disturbances; also if somebody could find an space object (planet, start etc) which do not rotate and yet has strong gravitation that would be another proof.

[gyulasun]

Hi Dieter,

You wrote: 

Imagine a horeshoe magnet (U shape) that has a steelbar attached to its end, so it builds a closed magnetic loop. Imagine around the steel bar there's a coil. Now when I connect the coils ends, aka short-circuit it, it will create an inductive load. Assuming this is a permanent horseshoe magnet, does adding the load reduce the permeability of the steel bar?   

You also wrote:

does an inductive load alter the permeability of the core material? 

Sorry but I do not fully understand the setup in which you ask on any change of the core permeability... 

It is okay that you close the magnetic path between the poles of a horse magnet with a steel bar which has a coil around it. No moving and no any input current to the coil from you, you mean this, right?  If yes, then nothing is happening to the permeability of the steel bar when you short the coil ends directly,  the permanent magnet has a static field almost fully concentrated and guided in the steel bar. This field coming from the magnet does not change from the moment on you have attached the steel bar: before you attach,  the bar has (say) a permeability of 800 and after closing the magnetic path it may have a permeability of (say) 500 or whatever less than the original 800, okay?  The decrease comes about just due to some saturation what the permanent magnet initiates, depending on its strength and depending on the magnetic properties of the steel core.

IF you monitor the output voltage of the coil on the steel bar with a scope or an AC volt or current meter, you would see a pulse appearing at the coil output in the moment you attach the bar to the magnet (i.e. you close the magnetic path). This is a SINGLE event, nothing is induced after that if you do not make any change.  And the moment you remove the bar from horse shoe magnet, you would again see a single pulse from the coil, again this is a SINGLE pulse.

So in this setup as I understood your description, the coil on the steel bar does not alter the permeability of the bar, just because there is nothing happening induction-wise.

If this answers your question, that is fine. If not, sorry and please clarify your question.

Gyula

[NRamaswami]

Hi Forest:

Thanks for the post agreeing with me. If you need further proof ask the Indian and Chinese PLA who see eye ball to eye ball in Sikkim. One Retired Indian Army officer has written a book where he says that come afternoon what both armies do is to go and sit in their bunkers for it is routine for the place on a daily basis to get hit with thunder and lightening bolts that rattles the whole area. So the eye ball to eye ball soldiers promptly go to their bunkers during those times..Similarly we can use a thermoeletric effect togenerate any amount of electricity by putting thermoeletric materials 2000 to 3000 meteres to sea. Water in sea at that depth is very cold and water at the surface is warm. The thermoelectricity devices would produce electricity automatically. This is a free energy device. Only problem is maintaing the metals and avoiding corrossion due to sea water which can corrode any thing..We have not even touched the tip of the ice berg in energy production.


BajaC:

I went through the links http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/electromagnetism/magnetism.html and the http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/cymbalyuk/lecture21.pdf

I now realize why contrary to expectations the electricity produced when like poles are made to face other is zero. As Dieter said, the electricity produced is nil, nada, zilch and not even a milivolt. I did better by geting a 12 volt lamp to light up but I gave 1540 watts of input to get that 12 volts and milliamps output in secondary.

A simple look at the links you have provided indicates the answer.

The iron should bent at 90' angle to the like poles and should go in four directions. Then the magnetic flux would be captured in the four poles which are perpendicular to the primary magnets. At that time we possibly will have a higher output due to increased magnetic flux. I can test a two softiron cores at 90' to the primary. As magnetic flux goes through the easiest path, then I think it should work. If we show a common secondary it would not work for like poles whereas it would work properly for unlike poles. It is so elementary.

let me do the tests and confirm it to you tomorrow. We have a winner here for if the magnetic flux is three times and the output is three times we can immediately increase the output of the secondary by 3 times from what it is now..So let me check. The configuration of Figuera however indicates that it is only unlike poles and not like poles. and the core in the secondary and the primary is a continuous one in all the 1908 and subsequent patents.

Let me test it tomorrow and confirm it to you all.

[bajac]

l googled without success, so I repeat my question: does an inductive load alter the permeability of the core material?


I am not talking about heat that may be caused by induction and then has an impact on the permeability. I also don't mean the influence of voltage drop by a load. What I mean is, is there something like a reverse lorentz force that is a counterforce against the elementary magnet particles as the cost of induction.


I tried to test it with a magnet loop that had a core with a coil as the botton side, hanging in the air. The core was attracted only slightly, as little as possible. Short circuit of the coil did not make it fall off, a little pulse from a 1.5V battery did (only in one polarity of the battery). But I'm not sure if that means much.

Dieter,


I do not quite understand what you are referring to. That is why I keep saying to use sketches and diagrams as a way to provide details. Because we are not good writers, it is very difficult to construct an accurate scenario of our cases.


I would like to say something about permeability and magnetic fields. Magnetic circuits are very difficult to analyze because they are not linear. It requires trial-and-error and graphical solutions to approximate the answers. For example, the permeability of the iron/steel cores depends on the magnitude of the magnetic field flowing inside. That is, the permeability of an iron core, i.e., having a magnetic flux of 3 Gauss is different than when 6 Gauss are flowing. This makes the analysis of magnetic circuits very complicated.

[dieter]

Gyulasun, Bajac, thank you for your answer. You are right, only changes in the magnetic field will induce a voltage in a coil. We can assume that the electron charge distribution is static like the magnetic field. So my example probably has not been very good.


Let me put it this way: During the change of the magnetic field in the core, (regardless of heat effects) will there be  a diffrence in the permeability of the core , depending on whether the coil has no load or full load (like a short circuit) ?




NRamaswami, actually this is a misunderstanding. Like poles can induce a current, even better than opposite poles. The reason why is, they are two poles that can be compressed in space. If you watch two cylinder magnets attached to eachother naturally (nsns) then the inner poles vanish and become mostly the new bloch wall, the outer poles get a bit stronger. On the other hand, if you tape two cylinder magnets together like snns, the field between them becomes 200% in intensity. This inner field may not be bigger than the two outer fields of the nsns magnets added together, but in a practical use it allows to gain higher field density in a certain area. Although, some magnets cannot handle like poles very well and their magnetisation will be destroyed,because their remenance is low.