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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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IMIGHTKNOW

Quote from: floodrod on March 28, 2023, 07:11:22 AM
The pic you sent me (attached) shows standard induction.  If you are proposing the Clemente device is configured like the image- then you have a standard transformer which is subject to Lenz.

LEFT SIDE-  Magnet motion is opposed from the induced field..
RIGHT SIDE-  Magnet motion is opposed from the induced field...

Yes it will induce good, but every milliwatt you draw from the induced will pull from the source.

Now if you flip one of the magnets in the same motion you cancel Lenz - BUT you also cancel induced power.. Those "Skilled in the art" will understand what I say.

I don't think Clemente is lying in his patent.  I doubt he is labeling NORTH as "S" to deceive us..  But I do believe he is hiding something, either by mistake or on purpose.

I recorded this video about a year ago..  It demonstrates how it is possible to change induced power direction by utilizing properly positioned partial cores.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt-k6KOlip4

As I said earlier, my whole contention is that I am not convinced same poles are used and I am leaning towards the secret being in the core configurations (which the patent is mum about).

CONFESSION TIME--- >  I do NOT have a self-runner...  So my views mean VERY LITTLE-   just like everyone else who does not have a Self-Runner..  So take it as you will..  Someone would be foolish to believe my words when I can not produce OU..  You are free to believe "Compression" is the key, or whatever else you want.  And I have no right to say others are wrong UNLESS I can prove I am right by producing a self-runner..

This is not standard transformer action by no means what so ever. I am still scratching my head on some of your assumptions but it is what it is . And no Figuera did not miss label because the labeling was after his north and south hemisphere of his controller not poles of a magnet. well em, just my opinion. ;D
Exactly no one has proof in the open just yet.

What bothers me is it seems the compression electromagnets are not being compressed properly. If no one is getting a thing from the opposing and switching like in that graph just maybe it is the pressure or lack of. I have seen some advice from another person on another forum that someone built the electronic part G and it worked beautifully. So in my mind part G as an inductor was spot on but now dealing with the primary issue. I would think compensating the long reluctance path back to south has to be accounted for plus the gap between the primaries and secondary. I personally think subtle things are being inadvertently overlooked and they must be found then brought out.

floodrod

Quote from: IMIGHTKNOW on March 28, 2023, 10:07:52 PM
This is not standard transformer action by no means what so ever. I am still scratching my head on some of your assumptions but it is what it is .

The whole "Gain" mechanism in the Figuera is the ability to beat lenz drag..

QUOTE-  "And this procedure has the advantage that, not having to overcome any drag,
the Lenz's law does not apply and therefore does not need any mechanical
force to overcome this drag and explains so well the production of electrical
energy greater that the inducing one, thus becoming this way a self-exciting
generatrix"

LENZ IN A NUTSHELL--  The direction of current you produce will create a magnetic field that OPPOSES the motion that created it. 

Now look at the image closely... 

LEFT MAGNET...  NORTH pole is pushing in....  And the coil pole becomes NORTH..  The coil opposed the motion because the coil is trying to STOP the magnet's motion.  NORTH and NORTH REPEL......  This is Lenz...

RIGHT MAGNET...  NORTH is going away...  Coil becomes SOUTH..  Once again, the coil trying to STOP the motion of the magnet..  NORTH attracts SOUTH..   This is Lenz.....

This entire configuration will act as a normal transformer, as in-  every milliwatt you extract will be taken from the source supply. And if it were powered from moving magnets, it would slow the movement on all sides (DRAG).

~~~~~~~

Regarding this "Compression"--  Perhaps there may be compression generated in repulsion mode due to the commutator alignment touching several contacts at once in the right order.  Making and breaking in a way that disrupts the smooth waxing and waning.   But then the image attached would not apply.  I am not declaring same poles as "Wrong" because it is still a possibility.  My point is, if this was a regular transformer or generator in this configuration, there would certainly be Lenz.


Quote from: IMIGHTKNOW on March 28, 2023, 10:07:52 PM

The labeling was after his north and south hemisphere of his controller not poles of a magnet


He Labeled the Commutator Hemispheres By Writing N and S on each electromagnet???????  Am I reading this right???



Cadman

Guys, I don't mean to throw a monkey wrench into your discussion but I would like to elaborate on the drawing I posted. This applies more to Figuera's last patent and Buforn's patents.

Doug1 steered my thinking in this direction a long time ago but I ignored it and listened to someone else for my build. :(
https://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg378792/#msg378792
He made many other posts regarding this.

Construct the inducer coils using very narrow 'pie' coils like the old guys did for induction coils, but not connected in series to make 1 long coil. Not only that but energizing the pies in the sequences shown in my drawing. In effect moving the active coils towards and away from the center induced coil in unison thus moving the compressed center field back and forth in the induced. Flux cutting.

Also if the 2 inducers are, say NN poles facing, the resulting consequent poles between them are a double SS. This has been known since the 1800s. I am absolutely convinced you have to maintain the field strength cutting across the induced.
If you reduce the strength of one inducer coil the other stronger inducer ends up making a weaker pole at the far end of the induced's core because of the distance.

Oh and one more thing, please stop using solid cores. It's self defeating.

But of course, these are just my untested thoughts.


floodrod

Quote from: Cadman on March 29, 2023, 09:03:00 AM
Construct the inducer coils using very narrow 'pie' coils like the old guys did for induction coils, but not connected in series to make 1 long coil. Not only that but energizing the pies in the sequences shown in my drawing.

Yo Cadman..  Trying to visualize it..  Came up with this attached..  8 triggers.  Is this in the ballpark of what you describe?  Intensive build if so, but interesting.. 

IMIGHTKNOW

There is only two people I have downloaded from this site That I thought has some real insight and Doug was one of them. I remember reading about the multiple winding per primary and the results were as said. One single winding is just way to slow to react to fast current changes, way to much self inductance. Plus the fact about the two primaries being sent 120 volts with 60 volts each was really intriguing.

Again I read from Doug that they are opposing then shifted back and fourth over the secondary. More current is shifted to one then the other vice verse as the brush rotates. The physics I have studied tells me the electric fields are then lined up in the same direction. If this device is to match the high intensity field of a north and south field then  absolutely has to be compressed in my mind.
I just see no other way.