Friction heater running in my house

[Bruce_TPU]

Bruce:

Let's discuss the concept of efficiency here.

If you increase the friction, what happens?   There is more of a mechanical load on the motor, therefore it draws more power from the mains.   So you are not increasing the efficiency, all that you are doing is increasing the power consumption from the mains and also generating correspondingly more heat through friction.

In a setup with an electrical motor driving some sort of a friction device you have two sources of heat.   The electrical motor produces heat and the friction device produces heat.

A very good motor will be very efficient and produce very little heat.  But in the end it doesn't matter, the input electrical power will be turned into heat by the motor and by the friction device.  Therefore by definition any combination of motor and friction device will be 100% efficient.  No matter what you do the system will be 100% efficient in producing heat.  In that sense using the term "efficient" does not really apply for this type of setup since it is always 100% efficient.

MileHigh

I understand your logic here, and obviously I too have thought about it.  But, and here is where the question mark comes into play for me.  Once the motor has worked using X amount of watts, to heat the oil, via friction, etc., it would then become MUCH more efficient to maintain that temperature (of course this too depends on the efficiency of the air exchange in the home).  Like a vehicle using more gasoline to get up to speed, but then using less, to "maintain" speed.

Now, can efficiency ever increase over 100%?  You and others will always argue impossible.  Myself and others will always look for that one impossible situation. 

BUT, I will say this... Oilpiggy does indeed have a dog in the hunt, for he is selling the plans to his heater for 50 dollars each.  And, I would like to see some photographs of said reduced electric bills.  Friction heaters have been around in the FE community for about 40 years, with great claims.  To date, as usual, none proven. 

I think combining the hot water heater drill guy, the metal with all of the holes in it, that caused friction, with the oil friction heater concept might be a winner.  I posted a lot of info above for others wanting to research.

Cheers,

Bruce

[Bruce_TPU]

Hi Bruce,

One idea that I haven't tried but always wanted to.
Take a large ring magnet, secure a metal bolt through the center. Seal the top and bottom half with silicone but leave an exposed ring along the edge of the magnet(bloch wall). Place a larger aluminum ring washer so that it covers the edge of the magnet but touches the exposed part. Place two more aluminum washers one on top and bottom so they contact the center ring and bolt through middle.

Congratulations you've just built a shorted out homopolar generator. Now the question is will it heat up when spun at high speed in water? The one problem is heating the magnet if it works.

Edit: Oops, Actually this would require a fixed outer bearing in the center to act as brush but same principle.

Hi Dreamthinkbuild,

I like your way of thinking, like what I mentioned before about eddy currents.  The problem I foresee, is the usual, lenz law.  We are creating the heat on the aluminum, but acting as a brake on the motor to do so, which in turn causes the motor to work harder, thus nullifying any gain from said heat.

The reason that I like the friction heater, is there would appear to be many ways to increase efficiency without further straining the motor (using more wattage).  Would this be super efficient?  The text books would argue impossible, but I would say, perhaps, with the right set of parameters.  I have come across some very good videos towards this end, some several years ago.

Cheers,

Bruce

[ramset]

MH reply #74  Quote


Doug1:

Gabriel is not being 'jumped' on.  He posted some video clips and made some claims.  Some people clearly believe that there may be some free energy magic going on as evidenced by their postings.  Some discussion points have been raised which is normal around here.  There is no need to play the bad censor cop, it's simply stifling discussion.  This is a place where discussion is supposed to be encouraged.

Still no word from Gabriel about any proposed test setup or test plans which he said he was undertaking.  Unfortunately that's not very encouraging.

MileHigh

MH
Post #57 and Post #71 = answers both your questions the set up and the "plans"
Some of us play together very well......... 

[MileHigh]

Bruce:

If you saw my posting #63 a friction heater that people originally thought was doing something special ended up not being the case after more precise measurements were done.  So I agree with you that in a best case scenario more data should be forthcoming from Gabriel about this system.  The wind load on a house and its construction determine how much cold air will seep into the house.  I don't think that Gabriel can account for that factor so serious scientific test data would be a good thing to have.

Chet:

No, I asked Gabriel and so far there is no response from him.  Don't be afraid to ask questions and hope for real answers.  You know that that problem causes the downfall of so many propositions.  The longer that pattern goes on the more investigative energy and discussion ends up becoming wasted human thought and work.  Take Mylow as an example.  Or look at the main UFO thread.  Many months have passed with lots of enthusiasm and PW read the entire thread.  He reported that no one has actually done any serious testing on a modified motor.  Therefore there isn't a stitch of evidence that UFO's claims have been verified by a third-party experimenter.  Please don't try to play me like that.

MileHigh

[ramset]

MH
You asked Gabriel a question he and Steve already answered [post 57 ,71] Your comment above is a negative comment intimating some sort of failure to follow thru?[posts 57, 71 are  evidence to the contrary]
No playing here MH..........
Thx
Chet