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Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !

Started by gadgetmall, November 09, 2012, 06:22:34 PM

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poynt99

Base-Emitter junction of Q1-->Base-Collector junction of Q2 (is not reverse-biased like it normally would be with a positive voltage at the collector).

So the FG output is easily driving the coils to some degree.
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=248
Towards Realizing the TPU V1.4: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=217
Capacitor Energy Transfer Experiments V1.0: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209

TinselKoala

How does the signal generator manage to turn the first transistor on, with only one uA of current?

ETA: heh, crossed posts with .99, same intent, questioning the power supplied by the signal source....
great minds do think alike
;D

poynt99

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 09, 2012, 10:06:56 PM
How does the signal generator manage to turn the first transistor on, with only one uA of current?
How do you compute 1uA?
ETA: correction:

(5V - 1.4V)/100 + 100 + 50 Ohms = 14.4mA


ETA2:

If it is not a standard function generator, and perhaps a DIY oscillator without a 50 Ohm output resistance (I think he posted that this is the case), then the available current to drive the coils is even greater:

(5 - 1.4)/100 + 100 = 18mA (peak), and an average current of 9mA.
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=248
Towards Realizing the TPU V1.4: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=217
Capacitor Energy Transfer Experiments V1.0: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209

TinselKoala

Quote from: poynt99 on November 09, 2012, 10:10:37 PM
How do you compute 1uA?
ETA: correction:

(5V - 1.4V)/100 + 100 + 50 Ohms = 14.4mA


ETA2:

If it is not a standard function generator, and perhaps a DIY oscillator without a 50 Ohm output resistance (I think he posted that this is the case), then the available current to drive the coils is even greater:

(5 - 1.4)/100 + 100 = 18mA (peak), and an average current of 9mA.
Not me... the conjecture was made above that the signal source might be an ultralow power chip that only draws 1 uA or something like that.... and I'm saying that this could not drive the circuit directly with that low current input to the oscillator. The TS3001 on its demo board, I think it was.

e2matrix

I do believe the device is started initially with a 12 volt battery but once running the battery is disconnected.  I may be wrong but I have to assume it gets a jump start from somewhere.  Have you seen the video?