Single circuits generate nuclear reactions

[k4zep]

@UncleFester, k4zep,

I finally got around to testing my setup here.  I get the attached waveform on a tiny toroidal coil with maybe 20 turns placed around the carbon rod.  This looks like a small part of the reaction starting, correct?  The rod makes a very loud clicking sound on every discharge...

I know my power levels are way too small right now, and the toroidal transformer is the wrong type (correctly sized transformer is in the mail), but here are the details of my setup anyway:
240uF @ 160V photoflash capacitor bank
Fired at 40Hz with an 800A 1200V IGBT with custom driver setup
Input power 13.8V @ 2.75A into a 120V inverter; rectified to charge capacitor bank

Next step is to increase the voltage, probably with some sort of voltage multiplier circuit on the AC output of the inverter.

Any thoughts?

Eldarion

Hi Eldarion,

Wow, nice scope shot.  It is VERY similar to the shot on my old analog scope a few post ago.  I didn't show the High positive peak that I triggered on but the negative (which I assume is the burst) is right on.  Very good work!!!!!  Looks like we are on the same page!  That clicking sound might be arcing in your rod connections as I hear that under those conditions. Now what to do to increase that burst!

Would give my right whatever for an integrating scope that would show the total energy in each peak........

Ben

[Edge]

You can calculate the DC resistance of a graphite rod using R=rho*(L/A).  You need the resistivity (rho), the length (L), and the cross sectional area (A).  The published values for the resistivity of graphite is between 300-1600 uohms*inch.  For a 0.250" dia x 2.500" length rod, A=0.0491 sq inch.  Using 1600 uohms*inch, the resistance is 1600E-6*(2.5/0.0491) = 0.082 ohms.

The AC resistance can be calculated using the skin effect.  But for a pulse or RC decay it is not a single value of resistance.  These waveforms have a spectrum of frequencies.  Here are several values for the above rod at a single frequency:

DC = 0.082 ohms
60Hz  = 0.76 ohms
1KHz = 3.03 ohms

The resistivity values are from:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/AfricaBelgrave.shtml
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[aether22]

I know many pages have already gone and i have only read a few of them, but let's see what we have here.

We have a device that is designed based on a theory of a nuclear reaction that is somehow OU (despite the fact that it's ends products are the same as it's starting products, this would seem very unlikely and not generally how OU happens).

We have tests by JLN and a few others that seem to indicate that it is creating a power output but correct me of I am wrong no one has claimed truly more out than in or a closed loop operation besides the person who started this thread but he has acted in an untrustworthy way. (this is my impression from reading not enough of this thread so if this is clearly wrong I apologize)

The Valle's theory has produced both Naudin's plans with a Thorium Carbon spark gap, and another set of plans that do not have any spark gap or Thorium.   At this point I am not aware of any test of the non-spark gap version.

So other than maybe testing the non spark gap version I can see a few points that should be tested.

First I would note that possibly excess energy is seen in another spark gap and transformer experiment, this one does not use carbon though, it is "Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet" and personally I am not sure that there is any important difference between the results Naudin got and those seen by Luc.
So to test this it might be an idea to swap the carbon for various other electrodes.
I am pretty sure the Thorium rod is magnetizable right? If you add a coil around it you have an electromagnet instead of Luc's Neo magnet.

One thing I would suggest trying would be replacing the carbon with a different diamagnetic material, such as Bismuth or Silver.

Another thought would be to replace the Thorium loaded welding rod with a non Thorium welding rod or with a piece of mild steel, the effect may be reduced but is it still gone?

The idea is that beta radiation from the spark gap (which may be caused by things other that a carbon-boron nuclear transition) is somehow helping induce energy in the transformer, if that is so can you move the transformer along so it is not by the spark gap/carbon rod but so the carbon circuit is still through it's center, does this cause a significant loss in induced energy? (there should still be a single turn transformer effect naturally)

Finally I can't see ANY reason that this experiment requires having the carbon circuit inductively coupled to the transformer (at least based on the theory of operation) so run a rest where the spark gap/carbon rod is through the center of the transformer but does a hair pin turn and exits the transformer the way it entered, so it has no net magnetic inductive effect on the transformer.

These experiments might go a way to verifying that it really is working the way theory it was based on predicted, however they may show that the effect is in fact mostly or entirely based on something else entirely.

This will gave a solid base to work from and none of these experiments seem very hard to try if you have the setup already. (in fact I have most everything needed to do all the testing but as you may have guessed I doubt this device works the way it is advertised to and I am busy with other experiments, in fact pretty much the only thing I am missing is the welding rods, I even have a Geiger counter, big caps, toroid transformer, scope, function gen, carbon rods, wire etc...)

[Koen1]

True to the earlier experiments with a simple B-field and a carbon rod,
Luc here has experimented with a spark gap and a strong B-field from a neodymium magnet,
and he's able to pull sparks that should only measure 1/16th of an inch
out to something like 1/4th of an inch...
By simply using a neo magnet south pole as anode or a neo magnet north pole as cathode..!

Now I seem to recall from Vall?e's papers that Oxygen and Nitrogen were also on the list of
possible Protelf materials.... and air just happens to be 20% of the former and 78% of the latter...

so is Luc perhaps performing open-air Protelf
Or perhaps he is Protelf-ing the conductive neodymium??

I'm just making suggestions here, I haven't actually studied the similarities deeply enough to
say anything solid about this.
But it may be interesting to check out Luc's thread on the subject: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4124.msg105036.html#msg105036

In any case he has a strong B-field from a neodymium magnet, has the neo connected to the anode, taps the cathode
wire to the neo to generate pulses, then feeds that through a transformer (or a car ignition coil) to up the voltage and get
sparks. The sparks he gets on the secondary can be significantly longer than the feed voltage should allow for,
and only when the neo is added to the pulser circuit.

[eldarion]

@aether22,

UncleFester (Tad) here either had or had a 6 watt self-running device (with no spark gap in it, if I recall correctly.)  He is building a newer device now and has opted not to release the schematics of the earlier self running device.

@all,

I would also like to point out that UncleFester's energy calculations are incorrect. (no offense).  Everyone here should read up on the watt and its formal definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt) so as to avoid similar mistakes in the future.

If his self runner was using 6W of power, and fully discharging the 0.68uF capacitor that was fully charged to 2Kv, his firing frequency would have been around 3 to 4Hz.

@UncleFester, it would help if you released your old schematic.  We could see what you were doing and help understand why it worked (you were definitely NOT dumping 109 joules in each pulse, so why was there OU?)

Thanks!

Eldarion