9/11 truth movement topic

[Elvis Oswald]

Madsen - first of all... your source for the 'debunking' of the silverstein slip has misquoted silverstein.  The misquote changes the apparent meaning of his words.
With the misquote... it actually sounds plausible that he meant "pull the firemen out" - if he said "we made the decision to pull..." and what they made the decision to pull was left open to a guess.

But the part your source leaves out is that silverstein said "pull it" - not "pull..."

We made the decision to pull it.. and we pulled it... and we watched the building fall down.

And yes - "PULL IT" is an industry term for demolition of buildings.

Guess your source would have been right had he got the quote right.

Next topic?

[madsen]

Madsen - first of all... your source for the 'debunking' of the silverstein slip has misquoted silverstein.  The misquote changes the apparent meaning of his words.
With the misquote... it actually sounds plausible that he meant "pull the firemen out" - if he said "we made the decision to pull..." and what they made the decision to pull was left open to a guess.

But the part your source leaves out is that silverstein said "pull it" - not "pull..."

We made the decision to pull it.. and we pulled it... and we watched the building fall down.

And yes - "PULL IT" is an industry term for demolition of buildings.

Guess your source would have been right had he got the quote right.

Next topic?

Eh?  I don't think it's a misquote.  Here's what I hear Silverstein saying:

The smartest thing to do is pull it ... uh ... and they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse.

I'm certainly not disputing that he said "pull it" first (and it didn't occur to me that the website was doing so either).  The next thing he said was "they made that decision to pull".  So are you saying he was instructing the firefighters to blow up the building?  In this clip, Silverstein is describing his conversation with the "commander of the fire department", correct?

[madsen]

I don't mind discussing it, but what about the comments by Minetta, Aaron Russo or the former Italian president? They're much more cut and dried. Those links don't interest you at all? You've focussed on the one link that is perhaps the most open to interpretation and ignored the rest.
Even an expert in the art of deception is prone to the odd Freudian slip, perhaps more so under pressure. Perhaps he meant to say 'pull the firefighters out', in the interview, but the slip revealed the truth? Maybe the plan changed? Short answer- I don't know.
To you maybe. To me, when you give the order to pull a building, you mean pull it down. I guess we won't be able to agree on this point. Then there's the first responder who's reporting he heard a countdown before the building came down. This guy was former Air Force special ops; a good witness, no?... and he wasn't alone. Watch for yourself.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/130907_demolition_countdown.htm

Regarding your quote, once again you make the association of the word conspiracy with the word theory. Twice. Let's try another. Conspiracy... evidence. You assert people are saying pull is some term to do with pulling a building with cables? That's a new one on me. To me, pull just means 'pull down', as in demolish.

Hi Nomen luni,

I'll check out your other links as well.  I'll have to do some research, though, because I'm not familiar with all of them, tbh. 

Just a bit more on the Silverstein quote.  I had never heard of how the term "pull" was used in the demolition industry until this came out, and I'm not 100% sure what Silverstein meant either, so it seems to me we have to look at context.  In that short clip you posted, he basically is saying that because so many people had died already, it might be smartest to "pull it".  We are discussing two possible interpretations of his somewhat unclear statement here, which I'll paraphrase as:

1)  "Because so many people have died already, it might be smartest to pull the firefighters back" 

2)  "Because so many people have died already, it might be smartest to blow up the building"

The first of these seems very logical to me---get people out of harm's way to avoid further deaths.  The second makes no sense at all---why does it follow that since so many people were already dead, they should add to the chaos and danger by blowing up a building?

[Drannom]

here the little video i was talking about from 911 eyewitness

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5560.0/topicseen.html

i believe that video is true, cause it come from someone suppose to work at WTC this day, see the whole movie everywhere on the net, i put it on my own account at youtube

all we need is the total time of collapsing and put it in the Newton gravity law and see that it is falling just too rapidly according with normal gravity

[madsen]

Well a controlled demolition would be safer than an uncontrolled collapse, don't you think?
If we integrate a few sources of information, though... pull it... a countdown heard by a number of (IMO) plausible witnesses, the collapse reported on BBC news whilst the building is still standing outside the window behind the presenter, a demolition expert pointing out the specifics of why he's certain it's a controlled demolition, and then being told, to his shock, that it was footage of 911... it all looks very dubious to me. Bush making a slip on tv and mentioning the explosives in the building, the Janitor who heard explosions below him when the fire was above him. These clips are all available on youtube.

The real kicker if it was a controlled demolition is that it would have taken weeks or months of preparation, meaning it was rigged before the fire.

Exactly---which is why Silverstein's quote doesn't seem to make any sense to me under your interpretation.  He was talking to a fire department official.  He said, "and they [the firefighters] made that decision to blow up the building.  And we watched the building collapse". 

So after conferring with Silverstein, the firefighters apparently made the decision to demolish the building.  Presumably, they helped carry out the operation as well.  I have read that the collapse of the building happened about 3 hours after the firefighters "pulled back", if I may use that expression.  As you said, it seems to be impossible that the rigging of the building for demolition could have been done in that short of time, so the explosives or whatever were most likely already in place, which would be obvious to the firefighters as well. 

So doesn't this all imply that the firefighters were part of the conspiracy as well?  If so, then Silverstein's statement is starting to look like much more than a slip.