The Solution vs Hoax equation

[audiomaker]

My goodness, that is some amazing input.... from all of you.

Responding to so many interesting points is probably beyond my time restraints for the week.

However, as to my own pedigree...  let's just say that at one point I was in the pursuit of building such machines.  I have long since given that up but I am still very curious about the work of others.
I became un-obsessed, but am still extremely curious....and hopeful.

As for submitting YouTube example of machines that appear to work to this thread... I wouldn't know where to start?  There are so many.  Just search for "Free Energy", or "Self Running Motor"...etc.

TinselKoala,  I will be happy to search through YouTube for some interesting candidates, but at the same time... with your impressive qualifications, it might be the one's that you find at least interesting that might be more suitable, or perhaps the board owners should start a new forum that has "polls" so the group could pursue a validation based on what the group as a whole felt was validation worthy.  As of now, I think the pursuit of validation is lacking in this community.  As generous as it is, a $15k overunity "prize" is unlikely to motivate anyone... all weights considered.

I am wary though, of beginning to post links to YT videos in this thread as the thread is likely to take a serious tangent away from the heart of the discussion when the debates take over.

The original thought...loosely is "Do you think that with so many OU (type) videos out there, that they can all be hoaxes, frauds, or mistakes?"  So far I am impressed with the answers I've gotten to that question.  I would not have expected that.

Perhaps a more interesting question is "For all the believers who see these videos, why continue your work until a solid determination is made as to it's validity?".

Considering all the time, effort, and money that seems to be going into these pursuits, one would think a greater amount of notice would be taken when any candidate is presented, let alone so many.

Of course, this is likely explained by the idea that to each person, the best way to prove to themselves that OU (type) projects can work, is to do it themselves, not by trying to contact, promote, or debunk the work of someone else who has claimed success.

This... leaves a gap and that gap is this...

Imagine that you wake up in the middle of the night with the answer to why your positronic freewheeling rotary gravity aether collecting device hasn't worked so far.  You run down to your shop and insert one banana in the spark gap between the Van De Graaf and the steam driven gear... and it works!  Now what?

You grab your video camera, you take videos to post to the world, you show all the sides proving that there are no wires, hidden hamsters, or pasta connected to it, and you upload it.
A week later you have 100 comments on YT saying "neat", another 100 saying "fake", and a week after that you mysteriously vanish on an unplanned hiking trip in Rhodesia.

In the meantime, the "Free Energy Community" just plugs along as it always did citing "if it were real it would have validation".

If I were to draw a personal conclusion so far from this discussion, it would be that the evil powers of suppression wouldn't need to do much at all....possibly nothing.  The "vanishing" isn't even required.

Ok, well admittedly that conclusion is based on the idea that some of these might actually work.  I have absolute respect for those who believe they don't...they might be right.

[audiomaker]

Ok... here ya go...

I just quickly grabbed one.  Might be fake, but what a lot of effort to go to when any journeyman electrician could walk in and debunk it.

The point? Why bother then?

This video talks about getting investors, but if I were an investor, I'd have someone I hired in the room with me before I signed the check, who knew what they were talking about and could verify this machine does what the builders state.  The builders of this device...in my estimation... are smart enough to know this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ-cTouvPj0&feature=related

If that's not a good one, there are lots more.

Thoughts?

[audiomaker]

Two more minutes of searching...

The comments are pretty dumb no matter which side of the fence you land on...they usually are.

However, this one uses material you would use when "prototyping".

I sure wouldn't go to the trouble of building this contraption if it were a fake.  At least I'd make it prettier, and why use the solenoid to close the outer ring?  That was an "improvement".  I would suggest "improvements" are unnecessary in fakes.

Observe how the rotor moves just slightly backwards as the outer ring closes, then forward motion begins.  If there were some hidden way of driving this, why would it make that backwards jump?
This is much how magnets in rotary magnet engine projects behave no?

So, for the sake of argument, I'll suggest:

Too ugly for a fraud.

Too much work for a hoax

No apparent request for investors, and too easy to debunk if they were looking for investors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHKkuNAuJA&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PL3469266BAF9BDA3D

[TinselKoala]

Ok... here ya go...

I just quickly grabbed one.  Might be fake, but what a lot of effort to go to when any journeyman electrician could walk in and debunk it.

The point? Why bother then?

This video talks about getting investors, but if I were an investor, I'd have someone I hired in the room with me before I signed the check, who knew what they were talking about and could verify this machine does what the builders state.  The builders of this device...in my estimation... are smart enough to know this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ-cTouvPj0&feature=related

If that's not a good one, there are lots more.

Thoughts?

Seriously? Christie and LUTEC surely can't be the best you've got.
http://www.overunity.com/4956/lutec-john-christie-australia/30/
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/10/28/lutecs-perpetual-mot.html
http://censys.org/blog/?p=1933
Even Sterling Allan doesn't seem to believe in Christie/LUTEC.... and that should tell you something right there.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Lutec

Next? Please, something a bit more challenging.

[TinselKoala]

Two more minutes of searching...

The comments are pretty dumb no matter which side of the fence you land on...they usually are.

However, this one uses material you would use when "prototyping".

I sure wouldn't go to the trouble of building this contraption if it were a fake.  At least I'd make it prettier, and why use the solenoid to close the outer ring?  That was an "improvement".  I would suggest "improvements" are unnecessary in fakes.

Observe how the rotor moves just slightly backwards as the outer ring closes, then forward motion begins.  If there were some hidden way of driving this, why would it make that backwards jump?
This is much how magnets in rotary magnet engine projects behave no?

So, for the sake of argument, I'll suggest:

Too ugly for a fraud.

Too much work for a hoax

No apparent request for investors, and too easy to debunk if they were looking for investors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHKkuNAuJA&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PL3469266BAF9BDA3D

Holey carp.. That is the famous PERENDEV magnet motor. Michael Brady, the perpetrator of that hoax, is now in jail in Germany.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc9rbysrv24
http://www.examiner.com/article/perendev-magnet-motor-inventor-arrested-for-embezzlement
Next? Come on, you can do it. Stump the Koala!