The Solution vs Hoax equation

[audiomaker]

Yes, something about there's no such thing as magnetism.

If you really want to clear your radar screen, the most immediate solution I can suggest is keep handing them one at a time over to TinselKoala. If it can survive his analysis it might be worth looking into further, if there is anything left. At any rate it makes for entertaining and educational banter. Where'd he go anyway, still sulking?

I had considered that.  However, TinselKoala has the combination of being quite intelligent, a skeptic, and having the well earned tone of looking down on those who challenge him (this is not an insult).
For me, there is no positive outcome to appearing as a troll or ankle biter.  I respect his position and his intelligence. Perhaps one day he will respect mine, but I doubt that endless presentations of candidates for which I have no clue as to the status of is going to do much but dent my ego.

My initial quest in this thread was simply to present the idea that it's not impossible that a OU/FE device might already exist, but if one were going to try to find one, or participate in the progress of one, or even simply to study the potential of one, that it would be a monumental effort for an individual to sort out what was what as status is concerned.
How do I know? Because I tried for a few days and got lost in threads leading nowhere or perpetually stuck in the negative energy feeding cycle.  I still don't know.

And what better place to have a forum with an organized list of status than this site?    ....and if that status is "probable" as determined by some logical section of the bright minds here, then why let it linger in purgatory instead of getting off our couches and having a look?

As for where TK went?  I would guess that the discussion went in a direction the title of the thread didn't support.  However, that is only my guess. I obviously cannot speak for a person I don't even know.

By the way, that "water wheel" vid' you linked, I looked at that before even signing onto this site.  It was one where I was going "Is this real?"
Still don't know, but instead of just opening the "OU Candidates" forum and finding a status on it, I have to run all over the net, read YouTube commentary (which is pointless), and play "Stump the TK" for an answer.   I might not be the brightest nail in the box, but I can spot serious inefficiency when I'm at the mercy of it.

Anyway...

[audiomaker]

.... and let me continue on another angle....

You suggest in some form "Why should I trust you?" earlier in the thread.

You shouldn't.  Nobody should trust a single person to believe.  That is why as part of my draft that *3* unrelated people go to promising candidates.

I believe someone mentioned in this thread that there were something like 62,000 members here.  That's over 1,000 per state in the USA.  Halve that to include the globe and you still have over 500 per state.

You simply create a pool...

Hi, I'm "Bob".  I am a circuit board designer and my enthusiasm is in magnet motors.  Here is a list of my tools I am qualified to use (X)...
I am available in Vermont, or with notice, able to travel.

So, you might not even have to fly anyone.  You might find 3 nearby a location who would be willing to go have a look.

Mine might read "Hi, I'm Audiomaker.  I own a machine shop and am qualified repairing CNC machines.  My toolkit is a Fluke OSC, VOM's, Magnetometers..etc.
I am available in the Pacific Northwest to inspect and report on potential FE devices and also available to travel.

Simply by being a volunteer, you are already presenting that you are interesting in OU/FE, interested in validating any candidates, and believe you are capable of sniffing out hidden hamster wheels.

Basically you have a pool of volunteers who have the basic qualifications to find a mistake, hoax, or fraud.  If three of them together cannot debunk the device, then send more, or send the cavalry.

You aren't trusting any one particular person or group.

The "officials" of the forum select the best 3 volunteers to investigate based on level of skill or education required, field of interest/study, test equipment available/required, and lastly...proximity to the event.

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P.S.  I would also be glued to "Overunity Hunters".  Seems easy enough to have a form of that right here.

[Tom Booth]

My initial quest in this thread was simply to present the idea that it's not impossible that a OU/FE device might already exist, but if one were going to try to find one, or participate in the progress of one, or even simply to study the potential of one, that it would be a monumental effort for an individual to sort out what was what as status is concerned.
How do I know? Because I tried for a few days and got lost in threads leading nowhere or perpetually stuck in the negative energy feeding cycle.  I still don't know.

And what better place to have a forum with an organized list of status than this site?    ....and if that status is "probable" as determined by some logical section of the bright minds here, then why let it linger in purgatory instead of getting off our couches and having a look?
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By the way, that "water wheel" vid' you linked, I looked at that before even signing onto this site.  It was one where I was going "Is this real?"
Still don't know, but instead of just opening the "OU Candidates" forum and finding a status on it, I have to run all over the net, read YouTube commentary (which is pointless), and play "Stump the TK" for an answer. ...

I know what you mean. Lately I've had some time to waste, but more often than not my time for online research is severely limited.

I don't know how much time I've wasted following up on something I saw or read, like a magnetic motor that runs by itself or something on YouTube only to find out in the end that the "inventor" is already in jail for fraud or something, but only after a diligent and extensive search, then I'm still left wondering.

It's a chaotic field. If the world were different perhaps such research could be carried on in a more orderly manner, but at present it is something on the order of a wild west gold rush based only on rumors of gold in them there hills.

You seem to have reduced what you would like to see into one concise statement in your last post: "...a forum with an organized list of status".

I think you can find some semblance of that on Peswiki.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Best_Exotic_Clean_Energy_Technologies

[Tom Booth]

I believe someone mentioned in this thread that there were something like 62,000 members here.  That's over 1,000 per state in the USA.  Halve that to include the globe and you still have over 500 per state.

You simply create a pool...

Hi, I'm "Bob".  I am a circuit board designer and my enthusiasm is in magnet motors.  Here is a list of my tools I am qualified to use (X)...
I am available in Vermont, or with notice, able to travel.

So, you might not even have to fly anyone.  You might find 3 nearby a location who would be willing to go have a look.

Mine might read "Hi, I'm Audiomaker.  I own a machine shop and am qualified repairing CNC machines.  My toolkit is a Fluke OSC, VOM's, Magnetometers..etc.
I am available in the Pacific Northwest to inspect and report on potential FE devices and also available to travel.

Simply by being a volunteer, you are already presenting that you are interesting in OU/FE, interested in validating any candidates, and believe you are capable of sniffing out hidden hamster wheels.

Basically you have a pool of volunteers...

Not a bad idea. The biggest problem I see with that, not to be a wet blanket I hope but...

Your talking about a degree of openness that I'm not sure exists.

What I mean is, out of the however many thousands of members here, how many would be willing to... so much as reveal their general location? Go out and knock on somebody's door?

I suppose you could count me in. Sounds like fun. I'm not a particularly private person. You can already find my name and address all over the internet and my phone is listed, but I think I may be the exception to the rule.

It might be worth a try though.

Hi I'm Tom Booth, want me to check something out in the upstate NY area? I'm game. (Really).

At present though, I don't know of any Free Energy or OU devices in my vicinity. I've been working on one myself but I guess that doesn't count.

[audiomaker]

Not a bad idea. The biggest problem I see with that, not to be a wet blanket I hope but...

Your talking about a degree of openness that I'm not sure exists.

What I mean is, out of the however many thousands of members here, how many would be willing to... so much as reveal their general location? Go out and knock on somebody's door?

I suppose you could count me in. Sounds like fun. I'm not a particularly private person. You can already find my name and address all over the internet and my phone is listed, but I think I may be the exception to the rule.

It might be worth a try though.

Hi I'm Tom Booth, want me to check something out in the upstate NY area? I'm game. (Really).

At present though, I don't know of any Free Energy or OU devices in my vicinity. I've been working on one myself but I guess that doesn't count.

Yeah, that doesn't count.

However, actually I think there would be quite a lot.  I will assume for the moment that you can operating basic test equipment, take at least cell-phone video, operate a computer, and observe and test a device with an eye for hamsters (I'm coining that one too).

If that's the case, that's 2 in this thread alone so far, and I think I very loosely figured 500/state.  It only requires 3.

As far as knocking on doors, well that's just it, you're invited and you're there to help an honest inventor and the world, or... you're there to get a POS off the community radar and discourage frauds.

The factor of 3 means you won't be there alone.  Also, there is much less likelihood that a single examiner could be fooled, bought off, or was working for big oil.

The results would also be from 3 perspectives, backgrounds, and levels of expertise.

1. Engineer
2. Physicist
3. Mechanic

or

1. Electrician
2. Magician
3. Magnet Motor designer

Doesn't really matter, but the point is that it's 3 different people from different backgrounds.

If this system were set up already...well maybe that water wheel would pass the "worthy of looking at", and maybe 3 reasonably qualified people from this board have volunteered from that state.

We'd simply have a thread for that device, an answer to whether the inventor (who remember....posted it on youtube) was willing to have it verified by us or not, and if yes, either a "hoax" or "can't find any trickery or mistakes" result right here on this board to look at.  Done.

...Well... "Done" unless it looks legit, in which case the device looks a whole lot more interesting to pursue beyond that point.

As for the funding, I'll go for gas and hotel money if it's driving distance.   I'll also donate towards the gas and hotel money of others doing the same thing.

This is a pro-active approach in my opinion that is a win win for any legit inventor with a OU/FE device that they "believe" is legit, and that we cannot obviously prove otherwise.
It is a win/win for the community as a whole, and a lose/lose for fraudulent offerings.

My project?  I'm just trying to help.