UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin.......

[anomdeguerre]

Everything. Making a claim of "overunity" requires the strongest proofs in order to be credible, and if hundreds of dollars are to be spent on components of such a machine, then some dollars can certainly be spent acquiring adequate measurements.

I disagree. You said "that I have never seen an electrical OU claimant report measurements made with an actual lab-grade power meter like these."  Was there hundreds of dollars spent on the device in each and every one of those claims? Your argument is a weak strawman.

And I'll do the same for your entire attack against me, since you cannot address any substantive points I've made. Your style reminds me very much of some other sock puppets and trolls who seek to attack me personally but who cannot dispute any of the points I am making.

Wow! You are going a little crazy here. I only addressed one point which you made and that was regarding what you found "ironic". The reasons why I may or may not have addressed your "substantive" points are my business and not yours.

Is that a good thing, or a bad thing? You suspected that I might be able to borrow a Clarke-Hess 2330 when I need to use one? Congratulations on your remarkable astuteness. It must be remarkable... since you have chosen to remark upon it.

Good, Bad, Ugly.  I suspected that you cannot afford one anymore than any other average Joe Public. Don't you think it is ironic that an allegedly respected metrologist cannot afford such a measurement tool and yet he expects others to have them at hand? Thank you and yes, it must be if you say so.

Do you suspect that I might be able to borrow a chain saw when I need to clear some brush? Do you suspect that I might be able to borrow a cup of sugar from my next door neighbor when I'm making a pie?

I suspect you might. Of course those things are much more common than a Clark-Hess are they not? Another weak strawman.

  We were talking about the utility of using the Clarke-Hess instrument to examine or validate claims of electrical overunity, weren't we? I suggested that OU claimants should, but never do, use these kinds of instruments. Then you sarcastically asked if I had one. So I'm wondering WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I NEED ONE, in this context. Whether or not I have one is IRRELEVANT in this context unless I am making a claim of my own. But I am not, am I.

I didn't sarcastically ask you anything and if anyone was being sarcastic, it was you. I asked you 3 questions and now you are all bent out of shape. Is it nap time? The point I was making is that not everyone has several grand spend for instruments and not everyone lives where there is a Clark-Hess at every corner store. Refresh my memory please, did you specify UFO or did you make a generalization about every claimant?

If you really wanted to know the answer to that you could find out for yourself. Google is your friend. But you apparently want someone else to do your homework for you. Or rather, you are just sniping. You aren't going to be renting a CH and popping down to UFO's place for a test session, are you.

I did use Google and there were no real results for renting such a meter, try it yourself.
http://www.google.com/search?q=renting+a+clarke-hess+2330
Are you borrowing the one you have access to and popping down to his place? If not, why should I spend money to rent one? It appears you have much more interest in this claim _and in sniping_ than I do as you have responded to almost every post in this thread.

Where does UFOPolitics live? Does he _not_ live in or close to a metro area? Is that relevant to being able to rent test equipment?

We aren't talking just about UFO, we are talking about your generalization. You are going a little crazy here, swerving from broad generalizations to specific instances as it suits you. Have you been drinking? Could you keep it between the lines please?

UFOPolitics has shown that he is willing to spend plenty of money on test equipment that gives him the answers he likes. He's shown that he has no problems encouraging people to buy six dollar mosfets when two dollar ones are exact equivalents, he has no problem encouraging people to spend hundreds of dollars on motor "kits". Why then does he have so much trouble performing measurements that are actually adequate to demonstrate his claims? Is it really a matter of cost?

What UFO encourages people to spend their money on is hardly relevant "any claimant" to spending thousands on a Clark-Hess. That is just silly. What is your deal with all these strawmen?

Why do you insist upon getting belligerent whenever you are questioned?


Disclaimer: All questions by the author in the above post are rhetorical.

[anomdeguerre]

Monsieur 'A nom de Guerre'
With that alias, you choose your opponent well !  Don't waste too much energy.

Thank you for the good advice. Conversations with the glam marsupial is an obvious waste of time.  I bid adieu to all of you.

[TinselKoala]

 

It appears you have much more interest in this claim than I do as you have responded to almost every post in this thread.

I am indeed interested when people make CLAIMS THAT THEY CANNOT SUPPORT, and when they try to support their claims WITH BOGUS MEASUREMENTS.

I am also interested in the phenomenon which you are exhibiting here, sock puppet. You cannot address the very real points I make so you choose to attack me personally.... while at the same time accusing me of making ad-hominem and straw man arguments. You are the very picture of hypocrisy. You remind me of someone who has recently been put on moderation because of similar behaviour, and you are fooling no one.

In addition, you are a liar, "Anomdeguerre". Count my posts. Be sure to include the three or four where I am only responding to YOUR ATTACKS on me.  What are the numbers you arrive at? How many posts have I made, how many total posts are there? Is it true, by any stretch of the imagination, that I have "responded to almost every post in this thread"? Of course it isn't. Fifteen percent or more of my posts are simple responses to YOU. There have been, by my count as I write this, 132 posts in this thread, and I have made 18 posts, three of which are direct responses to YOU. In other words, when you claim that I have "responded to almost every post in this thread"..... you lie. I am not even the most prolific poster in this thread.
Some other representative posters and their post counts: picowatt, 22 posts. ramset, 14 posts. Red_sunset, 11 posts.  Ian Koglin, 9 posts.

You want to continue your attacks on me.... fine, it shows your true character and shows that you care nothing for the truth. Whatever you choose to say about me, even lying like you do above, it changes nothing: UFOPolitics has made extravagant claims based on poor measurements. He has shown no realistic support for his claims. Testing his device properly, with FOR EXAMPLE something like a CH2330, would put his claims to a real test, but people in his position NEVER, to my knowledge, perform adequate testing with power analyzers or even oscilloscopes properly used. Instruments like the CH2330 are easily available for rent over the internet, could be delivered to Joe Average's home in Podunk Florida by UPS or FedEx and the rental cost is likely less than the cost of a day's worth of blown NTE brand mosfets. And it is NOT my responsibility to test UFOPolitic's claims, it is HIS responsibility to provide real support for them.

Your entire series of posts questioning me, especially this last group of calumnies and lies, show your agenda, "anomdeguerre".... you are engaging in an outrageous ad-hominem abusive attack against me. You are not addressing the points I've made but rather are attacking me personally in an attempt to discredit me.... the very definition of ad-hom abuse.


And the very first place I looked has a Clarke-Hess 2330 for rent.

http://www.testequipmentconnection.com/manufacturer/Clarke-Hess

Test Equipment Connection provides test and measurement equipment for Sale, Lease or Rent.

And another:
http://www.microprecisionte.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=clarke+hess&osCsid=itvd9dvudk5qdm5p1b7sfd9d74

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[TinselKoala]

Thank you for the good advice. Conversations with the glam marsupial is an obvious waste of time.  I bid adieu to all of you.

You have a funny idea about "conversations" when you lie about me and my posts, you lie about the availability of the CH2330 for rent, and you do nothing except attack me with your posts here. Goodbye, then, sock puppet.

[ramset]

Sigh
Seems Like "W" has reincarnated to the next level of "Pain in the Pants".......