UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin.......

[MileHigh]

I looked at the latest video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bBLguuBTuQ&feature=youtu.be

I am not really that familiar with big motors but here goes some comments.

At 1:04 you see the original commutator.   It looks like there are four commutator brushes 90 degrees apart.  I am assuming that this is a big DC motor.  I think there are four big magnets that line the outer case alternating North-South.  I am also going to assume that they are radially polarized.  The rotor looks like it has about 40 'poles' - branches of the armature.

So my assumption is that the original motor is set up so as the 40-pole rotor turns, it will generate a pair of virtual magnets at 90 degrees to each other.  These 'migrating' (relative to the spinning rotor) virtual magnets will be quasi-stationary relative to the case magnets and be in strong repulsion all the time.  Hence the motor turns.

So there are four points of magnetic repulsion that are 'active' all the time and they are nearly always positioned at the point of maximum repulsion.  So that must generate a lot of torque because you continuously are pushing on the rotor to make it turn at four points.

If what I stated is correct then it will be very interesting to see some comparisons between the unmodified and the modified big motor.  Now, there may be a problem if the people that ordered motors only ordered one motor and they modify it before they even test the original motor under load by making a series of measurements.  People that are just getting a bare stator will not be able to do any comparisons directly.  Someone with an unmodified big motor could make measurements on it and share the data with others.

I looked at this person's videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VaterisVideo/videos

Interesting music and slick production but short on substance and real measurements.  Wen running tests of a running motor, you have to put your focus on power in and power out measurements as your most important data.   Everything that is happening in real time is power-based.  Before/after battery voltage measurements are only of secondary importance.

MileHigh

[anomdeguerre]

Perhaps it does. How much is an electrical overunity machine worth, anyway?

Perhaps? Of course it does. What does the worth of an overunity machine have to do with my question?

I wonder why you are asking me these things. (Actually..... I don't, it's part of the obvious and general strategy of attacking the skeptics instead of addressing their points rationally, in an attempt to take the pressure off the outrageous claimant.)

I'll ignore your ad hominem as it is irrelevant.

I have access to one when I need it, borrowed, yes.

I suspected as much.

But remind me..... just where did I make a claim of electrical overunity performance? Am I the one who needs good measurements to bolster a claim of overunity electrical performance?

Remind me where I said you made such a claim.

And as picowatt says, it's easy to rent one for a day or a weekend if you actually need one. Is one actually needed in this case? Well, they are a lot easier to use and interpret than an oscilloscope is for straight power measurements: the CH gives you unequivocal numbers in boxes, all you have to do is hook it up properly, push some buttons and take the readings. Whereas to do energy flow measurements with the scope, one requires some knowledge and finesse.

And out of curiosity, just how much would a Clark-Hess cost to rent for the week? You do realize that just because you live in a metro area doesn't mean Joe Public does. A Clark-Hess isn't something Joe Public from Smalltown can go down to the corner store and rent.

[TinselKoala]

Perhaps? Of course it does. What does the worth of an overunity machine have to do with my question?

Everything. Making a claim of "overunity" requires the strongest proofs in order to be credible, and if hundreds of dollars are to be spent on components of such a machine, then some dollars can certainly be spent acquiring adequate measurements.

I'll ignore your ad hominem as it is irrelevant.

And I'll do the same for your entire attack against me, since you cannot address any substantive points I've made. Your style reminds me very much of some other sock puppets and trolls who seek to attack me personally but who cannot dispute any of the points I am making.

I suspected as much.

Is that a good thing, or a bad thing? You suspected that I might be able to borrow a Clarke-Hess 2330 when I need to use one? Congratulations on your remarkable astuteness. It must be remarkable... since you have chosen to remark upon it.
Do you suspect that I might be able to borrow a chain saw when I need to clear some brush? Do you suspect that I might be able to borrow a cup of sugar from my next door neighbor when I'm making a pie?
I suspect that you are a sniper, and you are looking for anything you can find in order to snipe at me. But you cannot refute any of the substantive points I've made.... or else you would do so, instead of "suspecting" that I can borrow test equipment when I need to.

Remind me where I said you made such a claim.

We were talking about the utility of using the Clarke-Hess instrument to examine or validate claims of electrical overunity, weren't we? I suggested that OU claimants should, but never do, use these kinds of instruments. Then you sarcastically asked if I had one. So I'm wondering WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I NEED ONE, in this context. Whether or not I have one is IRRELEVANT in this context unless I am making a claim of my own. But I am not, am I.

And out of curiosity, just how much would a Clark-Hess cost to rent for the week?

If you really wanted to know the answer to that you could find out for yourself. Google is your friend. But you apparently want someone else to do your homework for you. Or rather, you are just sniping. You aren't going to be renting a CH and popping down to UFO's place for a test session, are you. And UFO isn't going to be doing these kinds of tests either.... and not because of the expense. Which was sort of my point in the first place: you will not see comprehensive and unambiguous energy flow tests from this kind of overunity claimant, no matter how expensively or cheaply they can be done.

You do realize that just because you live in a metro area doesn't mean Joe Public does. A Clark-Hess isn't something Joe Public from Smalltown can go down to the corner store and rent.

Where does UFOPolitics live? Does he _not_ live in or close to a metro area? Is that relevant to being able to rent test equipment? You do realize, don't you, that UFOPolitics isn't "Joe Public" from Smalltown, that lab equipment rental organizations don't care where you live, and that they deal over the internet and via FedEx, UPS and carriers like that.... don't you?

UFOPolitics has shown that he is willing to spend plenty of money on test equipment that gives him the answers he likes. He's shown that he has no problems encouraging people to buy six dollar mosfets when two dollar ones are exact equivalents, he has no problem encouraging people to spend hundreds of dollars on motor "kits". Why then does he have so much trouble performing measurements that are actually adequate to demonstrate his claims? Is it really a matter of cost? Somehow I don't think so. But perhaps you have some actual, coherent arguments that would indicate that UFO is unable to perform the measurements needed using a CH 2330 because of cost or unavailability. Or why he can't do the measurements using a 2-channel analog oscilloscope, a camera and a spreadsheet. Or perhaps you'd just rather attack me further with your irrelevant sniping.

[minnie]

Hi,
    I've been reading these things for years now and nearly every time peoples hopes are aroused by poor initial measuring
techniques.
       Even if you have the best equipment you've got to be able to use it properly. Likewise some very accurate work can
be done with quite simple tools- the main point is- you have to know what you're doing.
   Comparative run times using a good secondary battery should soon tell you if you're on to a winner.
                                                                                   John.

[Red_Sunset]

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Monsieur 'A nom de Guerre'
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