UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin.......

[minnie]

Hi,
    well done tinman! That shows some real commitment. I'm looking forward to seeing how you get on.
                                     John.

[MileHigh]

Ian:

You are overly emotional and saying a lot of things that are either not making sense or they are exaggerated.

There are two main themes that have come up around here.  The first is to do electrical power in vs. mechanical power out measurements.  The second is to compare an unmodified motor with a modified motor.

Now can you in all reasonableness argue with the appropriateness of these two themes?

You say that you have shown your motor and how it works.  You did the first but not the second.  All that you did was demo the motor in operation.

I explained to you how your motor was working and I am very confident I am correct.  Naturally I can't tell you all of the fine nuances because I was just watching a clip.  You haven't made any comments about what I said and you haven't tried to engage and discuss.  Instead, all that you are doing is making a rant.

UFO screwed up the torque measurement on his recent clip.  If you were creative, you could do a thought experiment and prove it to yourself that he screwed up.  Here is a big hint:  What if the friction belt was actually very slippery with respect to the drum so that you could put a lot of tension on both sides of the belt but the drum still turned easily.  Do you add or subtract?

The fact that UFO won't correct this error and the people on the EF thread are circling the wagons around him are two problem issues that hinder your progress.

Are you upset because I say that there is no "cold electricity" or "radiant energy" associated with your builds?  Do you want to talk about it and engage on a technical level instead of on an emotional level?

Do you want to talk about the technical aspects of your motor clips or one of UFO's clips or do you just want to rant and say we are all wrong and don't understand anything?  Which path leads to the exchange of ideas and a better understanding of what is going on?

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

Tinman's post is very important because it illustrates a basic principle that is often overlooked. Your test procedure must itself be validated! This is typically done by using the exact same test methods on a _known_ non-overunity system, that has also been tested by another different procedure. Your test procedure should give non-OU results when tested on a known non-OU system... duh.... and should also agree with other, more commonly accepted test results on those known systems.

Kogs, if you had consulted here when you first built UFO's "incorrect" circuit using NTE mosfets.... you would have saved yourself a lot of trouble and money. You yourself posted a comment there asking if you could use fewer mosfets because it was getting expensive to blow all six at once. You could have avoided all of that, if you only would have availed yourself of the "loud mouth non-experts" here, who have considerable experience, which you denigrate, with mosfet power supplies and PWM and FM circuits of all kinds. There are some easy and simple mods to the basic UFO circuit that would improve its performance and reliability, and should have been designed into it in the first place. We first discussed that circuit here many days ago. The NTE mosfet is a bad choice for several reasons, not the least being its price. Higher voltage, higher current, faster, and lower Rdss mosfets are easily available for quite a bit lower cost. Your accusation that we are non-helpful is a matter of your viewpoint. Sure.... if you choose to ignore the help and advice that is offered.... then we are non-helpful, obviously. Is that a good reason to insult us?
However, it's hard to ignore the repeated and _false_ or at least unsupported claims of overunity performance.  Maybe we should try harder to ignore them ..... or maybe the incorrect claims shouldn't be made at all until certainty is attained.

[MileHigh]

A little safety note:

UFO mentions cranking up the voltage on one of his big motors and getting it to run at 8000 or 9000 RPM.  He also stated that the motor spec says 2500 RPM.

I don't really know for sure, but my instincts are telling me that this could be dangerous.  If the bearings seize at 8000 RPM or the motor starts to self destruct then the motor could rip itself off of its moorings and cause serious bodily harm.

MileHigh

[ramset]

The Armature suffers a Fleshwound during "Run Up" ,perhaps made  the Jump to "warp" speed ?
Tell you one thing.....
After these fellows get done with all this "EXTRA TIGHT" Winding that will have to be done For High speeds ,You better be on good terms if you ever get to shake their hand {Crunch !:.}



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THx
Chet