1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8

[picowatt]

I may be incorrect, but it appears from the various scope shots and photos that he is not measuring directly across the CSR (I cannot see a scope gnd lead attached to the CSR), but is instead measuring voltage at two points, with one point including the CSR Vdrop.  It appears that he then calculates the difference between the two waveforms to arrive at what he believes is the voltage across the CSR.

At the 33Kc or so frequency of the positive going voltage peak (calculated from time interval at FWHM), around 500nHy of inductance in the current sense loop would produce a 100% error in the current measurement (i.e., it would add add .1 ohms in series with the .1 ohm CSR), despite the CSR being non-inductive.  500nHy is equal to about 15 inches of straight wire.

If I am in error regarding my assumptions related to his use of the CSR and how he measured the voltage across the CSR, please feel free to enlighten me.  Possibly someone can take a closer look at his photo and see if he does indeed have his probe and probe ground directly across the CSR.  From what I can see zoomed in, it does not appear so.

It remains likely that his previous test using the light meter that indicated a 92% efficiency was closer to reality.

PW

[hartiberlin]

I have just read Naudin´s new update at:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene06en.htm

Well I guess the high efficiency comes from triggering wrongly the waveforms on te scope.

If he  also has such a waveform:

http://www.overunity.com/13228/1850-watts-free-energy-power-new-gegene-circuit-by-jl-naudin-shows-cop-2-8/dlattach/attach/119141/

and is only triggering on the maximum amplitude waveform, then it is not the average power output,
but just a maximum temporarely power output, that is only there for a few microseconds...

So the best way would really be to rectify and integrate the power output into a charging cap
and then just use DC measurements to see how big the average output power really is.

As the light output measurement have already shown, the average output power is only
at around 92 %, otherwise the lights would have been much brighter...!

And the light output test is already pretty accurate.

So unfortunately I guess the new Test2 was just a measurement error.

P.S: Yes would be interesting to see how a second output Tesla Bifilar coil acts below the transmitter coil.
Will every output coil then only have half the power output ?

Many thanks  and BTW , happy new year to all  !

Regards, Stefan.

[TinselKoala]

I may be incorrect, but it appears from the various scope shots and photos that he is not measuring directly across the CSR (I cannot see a scope gnd lead attached to the CSR), but is instead measuring voltage at two points, with one point including the CSR Vdrop.  It appears that he then calculates the difference between the two waveforms to arrive at what he believes is the voltage across the CSR.

At the 33Kc or so frequency of the positive going voltage peak (calculated from time interval at FWHM), around 500nHy of inductance in the current sense loop would produce a 100% error in the current measurement (i.e., it would add add .1 ohms in series with the .1 ohm CSR), despite the CSR being non-inductive.  500nHy is equal to about 15 inches of straight wire.

If I am in error regarding my assumptions related to his use of the CSR and how he measured the voltage across the CSR, please feel free to enlighten me.  Possibly someone can take a closer look at his photo and see if he does indeed have his probe and probe ground directly across the CSR.  From what I can see zoomed in, it does not appear so.

It remains likely that his previous test using the light meter that indicated a 92% efficiency was closer to reality.

PW

I think I see both scope references attached to the coil end of the CVR.

However.... I am not convinced that the coil is hooked up as a Tesla bifilar ! It's not clear to me just how the coil is hooked to the lead-out wires. But I'll take his word for it for now.

Stefan's objection--- that the readings are taken at the peak of the outer envelope--- seems very damning. These cookers use the envelope modulation to control depth of penetration into the cooking pan (see the pdf). It's pretty clear from looking at the envelope-modulated waveform Stefan linked and those in the pdf file that the true overall average output power is going to be about half of that measured at the very peak of the envelope.

I'd like to see simultaneous waveforms from both the transmitting coil in the cooker, and the receiving coil. I will guess that the _transmitting_ coil in the cooker will show the same high "efficiency" when measured by the same method used for the receiving coil.

ETA: Yep, it's perfectly clear from the video that the envelope modulation is happening, and that Jean-Louis has computed his power output from the peak oscillations.

[picowatt]

I think I see both scope references attached to the coil end of the CVR.

However.... I am not convinced that the coil is hooked up as a Tesla bifilar ! It's not clear to me just how the coil is hooked to the lead-out wires. But I'll take his word for it for now.

Stefan's objection--- that the readings are taken at the peak of the outer envelope--- seems very damning. These cookers use the envelope modulation to control depth of penetration into the cooking pan (see the pdf). It's pretty clear from looking at the envelope-modulated waveform Stefan linked and those in the pdf file that the true overall average output power is going to be about half of that measured at the very peak of the envelope.

I'd like to see simultaneous waveforms from both the transmitting coil in the cooker, and the receiving coil. I will guess that the _transmitting_ coil in the cooker will show the same high "efficiency" when measured by the same method used for the receiving coil.

ETA: Yep, it's perfectly clear from the video that the envelope modulation is happening, and that Jean-Louis has computed his power output from the peak oscillations.

Happy New Year TK (and all...),

I was looking at a photo that did not show that CSR board, it was hidden behind the unit.  I see in the video (not sure it was there yet when I originally looked) and in the capture you posted, that he does indeed appear to be directly across the CSR, so pretty much everything I said in my previous post is moot!  Assuming the bi-fi and lamp loads are floating "ground wise", all looks proper.

It probably would be a good idea for him to increase the distance between the induction coil and the CSR/probes/ground clip leads.  Possibly some degree of induction is happening there and this could be easily tested by moving/re-orienting the CSR board during a measurement to see if scope display changes.

It is strange that the DSO measurement method yields almost exactly double the power out that the light meter method demonstrated.

PW

[broli]

I added my own 50Hz 100% modulation to Naudin's data and the average power dropped to around 895Watt.

It was fun while it lasted on to other projects  .