Electron Reversing Device

[MileHigh]

For what it's worth, it's helpful to also visualize how small 10 nanorfarads is in the overall scheme of things.  It a very small capacitance that typically stores a minuscule amount of energy.  Such a small amount of energy that it barely affects anything.

A good test is the tongue test for capacitors.  Perhaps start with a 10 uF cap charged to 9 volts.  (don't try higher voltages)  I am sure there are some of you out there that have been doing the 9-volt-battery tongue test since you were six years old.  So you know exactly what 9 volts feels like on your tongue.

So you can feel the 10 uF capacitor discharge across your tongue.  It's been so long, but I will guess it takes less than a second.  Perhaps a few seconds for 100 uF?  But as you get smaller and go 1 uF and below what happens?  Soon your tongue starts to tell you that there is nothing there.

The moral of the story is to use your own senses sometimes to measure things.  The classic case happened recently with Woopy.  He measured about 6 kilowatts of power across his halogen bulbs but the Kill-a-Watt meter was saying 700 watts.  Did Woopy feel 6 kilowatts of heat and light in is lab?  The answer is that he didn't feel it.  His skin would have told him he was feeling 6 kilowatts if the power measurement was real.

MileHigh

[gotoluc]

I also see it mentioned that the two seperate systems have to be taken into account.
My question would be why?
Im not interested in what the power supply uses under load,im interested in what the system that is showing a current increase is useing.
The reason why i think like this is because every one else dose.
If you have a good bench top power supply,and you want to know how much power your system is useing that you are powering with your bench top power supply-do you take into account all the power being consumed by your power supply?
I think the answer is no-you only take into account what the amp and volt meter on the power supply is telling you what your system is consuming.

  Brad

Hi Brad,

for what it's worth, I agree with everything you are saying but I'm no expert. As far as I know you have done your power tests very well.
One test I would of liked to see (which would not conclude anything btw) is to have an Amp meter between your battery and SG and start the circuit without the BPC connected and then connect the BPC to see if there is a change in current. If there's no change, then you have something amazing. However, even if there is a change but the current from the battery meter adds up to the same as M1 and M2 then would it not somehow confirm M1 and M2 are reading correctly.

Anyways, I'm no expert and I think you've been doing a great job and I'm vary thankful you have taken the time to share all your tests by making a video of each tests and explaining all so well as they are very educational which could help future researchers.

Thanks for taking the time to share.

Luc

[MileHigh]

Poynt is absolutely correct about looking at the oscillator + the LC resonator setup as the load on the battery.   I made a posting where I stated that the "signal generator" was far from a true bench signal generator.  It's just another part of a larger circuit.

It's quite difficult to tap into the middle of the circuit where the signal generator feeds the LC resonator and measure the power flow at that point.  In contrast, it's very easy to measure the output power of the battery.

Poynt hinted that this circuit has impedance matching characteristics that have not been explored in depth.   The circuit has a complex impedance that is frequency dependent and it is also non-linear because of the LEDs.  The battery has a very low output impedance.  The LC resonator can have a low impedance also when it is not "fully charged."  These two low impedance components can form a decent impedance match at certain frequencies under certain conditions and that's why you see more current going through the LEDs in the resonator loop.  This could also be observed in the time domain if you had a high-end digital storage oscilloscope.

Needless to say I am taking in generalities above without getting into the nitty gritty specifics.  This circuit is not over unity.  Instead, what you are observing is the fact that power can be dissipated at different rates in different components of the total circuit because of complex impedance matching issues.  The total power dissipated in the total circuit when added up component by component will be equal to the total power supplied by the battery.  It would be wise to pursue this line of analysis on your benches.  Otherwise you could be distracted with the wrong analysis and it will gobble up six months of your bench time!

MileHigh

[tinman]

Hi Brad,

for what it's worth, I agree with everything you are saying but I'm no expert. As far as I know you have done your power tests very well.
One test I would of liked to see (which would not conclude anything btw) is to have an Amp meter between your battery and SG and start the circuit without the BPC connected and then connect the BPC to see if there is a change in current. If there's no change, then you have something amazing. However, even if there is a change but the current from the battery meter adds up to the same as M1 and M2 then would it not somehow confirm M1 and M2 are reading correctly.

Anyways, I'm no expert and I think you've been doing a great job and I'm vary thankful you have taken the time to share all your tests by making a video of each tests and explaining all so well as they are very educational which could help future researchers.

Thanks for taking the time to share.

Luc

Hi Luc
Im happy to do that,as it's all part of the reserch.
I will even show how the power draw from the battery go's down as the power go's up on the circuit.
I will get it done asap,and post it here.

  Brad

[TinselKoala]

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