Resonance and HHO

[SeaMonkey]

Yes, odd harmonics will add algebraically
to produce a unique waveshape.

Even harmonics when added algebraically
will produce another unique waveshape.

[SeaMonkey]

... most resonances actually impede or cancel out higher and lower resonance frequencies due to being "out of step" so to speak with the harmonic. Tesla was after reinforcing resonance, where the signals did not attempt to cancel each other out.

Algebraic summation occurs throughout the length of
the Standing Wave of resonance which entails both
reinforcement (in phase) and cancellation (out of phase)
of varying degrees dependent upon position within the
Quarter Wave (or other) Standing Wave pattern.

You'll have to expand on what your meaning is.

[pauldude000]

Not scared, just keeping a respectful distance until assimilated enough harmonic theory to be able to ask meaningful questions in regard to HHO resonance.

How do you plan to implement the frequency experiments? Treating the water as an electrolyte and subjecting it to alternate current or pulsed DC, or both? Or are you thinking underwater soundwave generation?  I myself am going for sound generation. Maybe my old analogue synthesizer will be of use, it's an old Moog replica made by Roland (Roland System 100) with two independent oscillators and a diversity of interconnctive possibilities between all kinds of wave modulator and filters, you know, one of these old fun machines with a tendency to get absolutely covered with cables at the end of the day.


A lot of alternatives comes to my mind, most of them probably easily discardable due to my ignorance in the field, such as how about creating resonating or interfering patterns between two HF PWM:s with one of their poles at two different ends of a nonconductive cylinder of a diamter and length decided by a suitable harmonic and their other poles being situated around the middle part of the cylinder? The cylinder shape seems to be considered an interesting shape when it comes to harmonics. And so on and so forth, ideas surface now like bubbles in champagne, and probably just as shallow.

So don't take my suggestions too seriously, I'm just freewheeling deep into the Swedish winter night.

Cheers,

Gwandau

[pauldude000]

Algebraic summation occurs throughout the length of
the Standing Wave of resonance which entails both
reinforcement (in phase) and cancellation (out of phase)
of varying degrees dependent upon position within the
Quarter Wave (or other) Standing Wave pattern.

You'll have to expand on what your meaning is.

Precisely.


We want to input a harmonic frequency which by nature strengthens the other harmonics. I originally thought Tesla used the classic model for resonance. However, many of his statements were confusing at best concerning resonance. I thought it was just me. It wasn't until I realized he had is own quasi-model of resonance that he based his reasoning upon that everything started to make sense.


The strongest harmonics are going to be those which reinforce the parent frequency, which itself is merely the center harmonic in the system. Other harmonics will interplay, but will cancel themselves out quickly. Strong harmonics far away on the scale from the original input frequency will be those naturally reinforcing. If you want a specific harmonic to be present very far from the original frequency, the input must by nature be reinforcing.


The main POWER in the input signal is at either maximum or at minimum. We don't want the amperage leading or lagging the emf, so the system must be at Q. We need the harmonics to span an extreme range and get as close as possible to the desired frequency, but stay reinforcing. We need each reversal of energy to impart the maximum amount of energy possible into the system.


You have to think backwards in comparison to what you are used to with the classic model. In the classic model all harmonics are resonant, simply because they resonate. In Tesla's unique universe, harmonics are at pure resonance when they reinforce all other harmonics in the system. In a different approach, to Tesla there was no real practical difference between one type of wave and another. A sound wave or pressure wave was conceptually equal to an electromagnetic wave in reaction and interaction.


Harmonic implies harmony, not dissonance. To a quarter wave resonant system, any harmonic which does not naturally reinforce is dissonance in the system. What we would call today undesirable static or white noise.


EDIT ADDED:


I just proofread this, and I realized I left something important out.


Notice those three waves in the picture I uploaded. There is something of note in them, which the other 'harmonics' (dissonants) do not do, which is match the original signal anywhere but at the beginning of the main wave, and the end. The only reason they are resonant at all is they share two zero emf nodes with the parent wave. As you notice in the picture, a true harmonic shares four, one every 90 degrees. 0 , maximum , 0 ,  minimum and then the cycle starts over.

[pauldude000]

How do you plan to implement the frequency experiments? Treating the water as an electrolyte and subjecting it to alternate current or pulsed DC, or both? Or are you thinking underwater soundwave generation?  I myself am going for sound generation. Maybe my old analogue synthesizer will be of use, it's an old Moog replica made by Roland (Roland System 100) with two independent oscillators and a diversity of interconnctive possibilities between all kinds of wave modulator and filters, you know, one of these old fun machines with a tendency to get absolutely covered with cables at the end of the day.

The posting system erased the text to my driver circuit pictures. The two circuits each have their respective duties. The one on the left allows the 555 to go under 50% duty cycle (both under and over). The circuit on the right is a full range circuit as to frequency. Combine the two, and you have a full range pulse circuit of full range duty cycle, which will drive a standard hf Mosfet.


I intend to make the HHO tank just a conductor in a resonant Tesla primary driver style tank circuit (coil, cap, HHO Tank, gap). I shall use the 555 circuit to drive a car ignition coil (immersed oil can type) to power the circuit. The HHO tank will probably start off as two SS plates at a distance of a resonant harmonic immersed in a tank of either tap or dirty water. The max for input energy on my circuit should be around 70W, since I will be pulsing a Mosfet to drive the coil. (Coil itself is rated at 12v at 5-7A primary drive current)


The reason for the secondary resonant system is that I will be imparting short duration pulse-trains of immense power through the HHO tank at the proper frequency, while using diddly squat in the driving circuit. Yes, I will shield the coil with a Faraday cage...


I might well try other HHO tank styles, such as a tube within a tube, or a rod in a tube, or a dry cell etc., whether the experiment works or not.


If the soft hand frequency approach doesn't work, I can always build a massive, Faraday style, multi-disc homopolar generator... (ouch) Give it a couple thousand (or more) low voltage DC Amps and see what it has to say then... Bwaaaahaaaha! (My Dad used to say "If it doesn't work the first time, get a bigger hammer.")


You could try the sound concept. To me a wave is a wave. It might work with the proper frequency, or combination.