Resonance and HHO

pauldude000 · February 10, 2013, 02:30:05 AM

I enter the room, noticing dull brown wooden backed chairs surrounding a long shiny oak conference table.

Carefully, I reach into my pocket and withdraw a small shiny cylindrical pointed object. Extending my hand, I open my fingers and release the piece of metal. In slow motion it rotates three times, glinting in the bright lighting. It strikes the hard gray tiled floor.....

TING, Ting, ting, tinkle tinkle....

"Wow! You can hear a pin drop!"

Gwandau · February 10, 2013, 08:06:55 PM

pauldude000,

you certainly know how to express your feelings with great humour and with an almost psychedelik touch. I could hear that pin hit the floor...

(Sorry for the delay, I've been busy upgrading my pc with the left overs from my sons new computer build, but now I am back high on hardware.)

Great input pauldude000, this thread is really inspiring, a lot of new information to assimilate, and thanks especially for elucidating me on the ANTENNA, absolutely crucial knowledge in the search for the key.

Yes, and Documentation for sure! I just wonder what would be the best way to store the documentation. It has to be easily accessible and updated.
Maybe we should start off with our own local databases and just gather interesting observations posted here, and later on when things may get more serious, we may think of making it accessible through a cloud service or the like.

QuoteWe may have to hit the molecule with a frequency to impart energy and strain the bonds, and another to break the weakened bonds.

Yes, I too believe the key consists of several different phases to be executed in order to put the unlocking mechanism into effect.

The key may be a delicate set of parameters elegantly and economically canceling out or decreasing the electric dipolarity of the water molecule. As I understand, the water molecule displays a notable differential in the distribution of electron density, where the average electron density around the oxygen atom is about 10x that around the hydrogen atoms.

So if we could stress the V-shaped molecule to change its angle, not only would the molecular antenna alter its wavelength properties, it would as well have altered the very dipole geometry and its strength. And it is here the conventional electrolysis may play an important part. I don't like the big differential in the electron cloud. We have to do something about those valence electrons.

Whatever direction this project will take, I am sure we will have a lot of fun. And I have a feeling we will get company on this thread when we strike our first anomaly observation.

I own some quite odd equipment used in the coating industry that generates extremes of static electricity at an ampere level that hopefully won't kill you, and we are talking about many hundred of thousands of volts here. I have been wondering if those generators could be of any use here. I am quite ignorant in the electronics field but something tells me static electricity could be of interest when it comes to subjecting water to different extremes. What do you think?

Gwandau

pauldude000 · February 10, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

QuoteI own some quite odd equipment used in the coating industry that generates extremes of static electricity at an ampere level that hopefully won't kill you, and we are talking about many hundred of thousands of volts here. I have been wondering if those generators could be of any use here. I am quite ignorant in the electronics field but something tells me static electricity could be of interest when it comes to subjecting water to different extremes. What do you think?

It might well. A static electrical field should be able to raise the energy levels of any particular atom within the mix. You may not need the high power equipment, but it may well be useful for "proof of concept" principles. I have made and designed Tesla coils, Oudin coils, D'Arsonval high frequency step down autoformers, VanDeGraaff Static generators, among numerous other high voltage devices.

However for purposes of practicality concerning both replication, duplication, and also end user application, the actual finished device needs to utilize common components and be as compact as practically possible. For HV DC, we can use television flyback transformers or diode capacitor voltage multiplier circuits if necessary for the finished device.

Your cool tools will be a useful addition though, as you can test HV DC vs bond effects, etc., and perform experiments quickly and easily. That will be both nice and useful.

This thread has turned out more interesting than anticipated. Initially I was just curious as to whether it might be a viable approach, and whether or not it had been tried already. I had not intended to start a massive project, with the potential of having a group work on the concept. The concept of a group is fine with me, but it shocks me in a way.

Is this concept of an approach really that novel? (Initially I had assumed it probably 'old hat', and would be steered to some other's previous research.)

EDIT ADDED:

For documentation I still find that nothing really competes with the lab notebook and pencil. They allow for spontaneous data notation during the event, not relying on fallible memory after the event, and can be scanned and uploaded, or typed out later, easily.

Whatever a person is comfortable with is good, but a lowly notebook is better.

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pauldude000 · February 10, 2013, 10:49:51 PM

For those interested in what a project finding the harmonics of a molecule of water is in a usable format.....

Harmonics are based upon wavelength, and not upon 1/4 or 1/2 wave etc.

A 4th order harmonic is the base frequency multiplied by 5. For instance, using a 60Hz base frequency.

Base (1 wavelength) = 60Hz
1st order (2 wavelengths) = 120Hz
2nd order (3 wavelengths) = 180Hz
3rd = 240Hz
4th = 300Hz

Therefore, we need to find either the harmonic which ends at 10¹⁸ Hz, and find the frequency which comes closest to a true 1/4 wavelength resonance. Not easy. I am going to write a program which will figure this automatically for my inadequate old brain.

Edit Added:

Should have reiterated the target frequency for 1/4 wavelength at 1100 picometers.

1100 picometers = 0.0011 micrometers
0.0011 micrometers = 272538598.18181825 Ghz (OOOOUUUUCH!)

http://www.unitconversion.org/length/picometers-to-micrometers-conversion.html
http://www.photonics.byu.edu/fwnomograph.phtml

In other words... 272538598181818250 Hz, or 2.725xxxxxxx X10¹⁷ Hz. And we have to be PRECISE to be on 1/4 wave!

Every one of those digits is significant. Round anything off, and it throws off the resonance by orders of magnitude.

pauldude000 · February 12, 2013, 06:56:38 AM

Hmmm...

Did that last post scare people or what?

It is not as bad as it looks. We actually lucked out. It is a huge string of numbers, but is easily divisible, as the last two digits are what matters. xxxxxxxxx50 means that the frequency is evenly divisible by 1,2,5,10,50

If I remember correctly, the resonant multiple which places the amplitude peak at maximum at 1/4 is in multiples of five wavelengths anyway. I will have to check to be sure, but I think so, just speaking off hand.

That would make the whole process a done deal.