Free Solid State/mechanical energy

[allcanadian]

@maximumgravity1
I grew up on a farm one mile from a river, I would spend maybe 20 or more hours a week on the river fishing, boating etc.. all summer. As adults I understand we don't have time and we lose something in the process. Most people I know are oblivious to nature, they walk through it like it's not even there. As such we don't notice the damage we cause, I know everything is not alright, it's a disaster what has happened in the last 10 years, just as Victor S told us 80 years ago.

Anyways , I was looking over Teslas circuit, patent 586176. There seems to be reason to believe that a negative discharge will lead to a positive charge. Not the other way around, the negative discharge in the primary leads to a positive charging in the secondary.The secondary then alternates to a discharge in the primary, the primary then charges the source. There is this rythmic cycle that happens but I can't quite nail the whole sequence down yet.

[Charlie_V]

The question I had to ask is , how would I know?, take the previous example of the farmer watching the wright brothers, How would he know?
How could the scientists not know? they are no better than the farmer!

I disagree with this statement completely, "scientists" are some of the most idiotic buffoons you would ever meet - I know, I work with them.  Physicists are the worst - they know everything and are so quick to let you know it.  Chemists are almost as bad, but where a physicist will take the time to ridicule you, the chemist will just act all snotty and be a complete ass - they are too good for the likes of you.

Regarding this quote, the farmer would probably know more about what the Wright brothers were doing, than the wright brothers themselves.  Hell, the farmer probably already mastered flight and was using it to irrigate his farm!  Every farmer I've ever met - the real farmer, not the farm hands - was more sharp and creative than any scientist I've met.  In fact, my wife's distant cousin had supplied his house with running water using the water hammer effect, lifting the water over 100 feet vertical to the hill where his house was.  He also had a wind powered generator he built himself - completely, designing the dynamo and everything - which also ran to his house.  He did all of this in the 1920's without power tools, all by hand. 

I don't know why farmers get stereo typed as stupid and uneducated.  I suppose this thinking fits into the whole

Our reality, the only one we know could be smoke and mirrors.

category. 

[Charlie_V]

Hehehe, I didn't mean any hostilities in that post.  After re-reading it, it did seem too angry.  So I meant no offense to you allcanadian, just gotta represent to all them farmers out there... yo yo. 

Ha anyway, I spent a good deal of time yesterday thinking, and I'm a tad drained at the moment.  It occurred to me some time back that everything we use today is about pumping in as much energy as possible. 

Take standard electric generators.  All the energy you put in goes into changing the fields.  All it takes to create electricity is to have a changing magnetic field.  Take a permanent magnet.  Its DC, make it AC and put a coil near it and you get electricity.  Think about it, how many ways are there to make a permanent magnet AC?  I can think of two - move the magnet, or heat it up.  Oh yea, you can move the coil too, bah thats just the same as moving the magnet.  These two solutions just don't cut it for me.  There has to be more. 

All you need to do is find ways to produce large effects with small ones.  This Tesla motor for example.  Although we aren't exactly sure how it works, we are all in agreement that it is taking a small effect and making it bigger.  I suppose Tesla wouldn't have called it a magnifying transformer for nothing. 

If you ask me, and no one really does haha, I feel this motor is converting a feeble magnetic field to a large one.  Call it negative discharge if you want - since apparently this is another term for magnetic fields - but whatever you want to call it, its gunna be huge in the secondary.  The secondary is going to be mostly all current with lots of coils.  Huge current and lots of coils means LARGE magnetic field.  When a large magnetic field collapses, it produces a huge voltage (electrostatic if you want).  I really don't know why people try to make a case that voltage and static electricity are different, they aren't.  High voltages are static, electrostatic.  I guess this doesn't really help the understanding, but I suppose everyone's quest is different.

At this moment of time, I'm not really too interesting in knowing why something happens, just knowing how is all I want.  Get it up, get it working, get 'er done.  You can do alot more with why, but I always approach something with "how" then later, once it's working start asking "why". 

I think our main problem lately has been things are getting too mystical/complicated.  Radiant energy, three dimensional vortexes, mind power, leprechauns, George Lucas.  For now, lets stick with what's comfortable: current, voltage, magnetic, and electrostatic fields.  If these are too "mainstream" for Erfinder, well then damn it, explain to us what it really is - without riddles, in simple terms... showing examples.  I'm not MacGyver, I can't make a boat from some string, a toothpick, and bird droppings. 

Adding to that, we definitely won't get anywhere with the "electricity is all an illusion and doesn't exist."  Ha, something's there, go pee on the light socket and tell me its just an illusion!

[Maximumgravity1]

@Allcanadian,

Ironically, I grew up with a stream in my backyard.  I spent countless hours as a kid lying on the dock staring into the water, and imagining the clouds reflections were actually great deep canyons miles below the surface of the water.  I watched ice flows gorge the banks in the spring, and fed every type of waterfowl imaginable.  I fished, I boated, I rafted, I swam - more hours then I can remember.  The irony is - it's all about perspective.

@Charlie
At this moment of time, I'm not really too interesting in knowing why something happens, just knowing how is all I want.  Get it up, get it working, get 'er done.  You can do a lot more with why, but I always approach something with "how" then later, once it's working start asking "why". 

I think our main problem lately has been things are getting too mystical/complicated.  Radiant energy, three dimensional vortexes, mind power, leprechauns, George Lucas.  For now, lets stick with what's comfortable: current, voltage, magnetic, and electrostatic fields.  If these are too "mainstream" for Erfinder, well then damn it, explain to us what it really is - without riddles, in simple terms... showing examples.  I'm not MacGyver, I can't make a boat from some string, a toothpick, and bird droppings. 
Well, different strokes for different folks.  I understand people digest and absorb things differently, but I disagree with a lot of what you posted here.  This is a very myopic point of view.  If all we want to know is "how" then it will cost you $3.14/gallon today, and going up steadily, to find out.  If "why" is not important now, then will it matter when there are no natural resources left?  Don't get me wrong - I am about as "un-green" as they come.  I don't hug trees, I don't think hemp is useful for anything, and I am not entirely sure granola is truly edible.  I do hunt, and I do enjoy spending time in the woods and in nature at large, but if we don't concern ourselves with "why" and leave it up to those people that are charging us for "how" then at the rate we are going, it won't matter much past our own generations.  There is no point in worrying about our kids, nor their future, as it won't be worth worrying about.  Everyone will be standing around with head in hands wondering "how could this happen"?

To requote Viktor Schaubergers succinct statement:
"For a person who lives 100 years in the future, the present comes as no surprise."

Comfort doesn't change anything.  Mainstream is missing the boat.  As for being explained directly, it doesn't help you learn - it is nothing more then "just another "a-hole's" opinion - we all got 'em, we all need 'em, what do you do with another one??"  A paradigm shift cannot occur based on third party say-so.  it has to be understood by the masses.

Again, to each his own, but I do believe there is method in the madness, and mysticism is not so mystical to those that know how it works.  Imagine inducing voltage and charging a Leyden jar in front of kings and statesmen 1000 years ago.  How mystical would your knowledge be?  You could start a cult and have people worshiping you.  But is it mysticism??  No, it is just someone who understands "why"...

[allcanadian]

@Charlie
I take no offence in anything you have said, I spent most of my life on the farm, you know you can take the boy off the farm but not the farm out of the boy.
You sound like a can do kind of guy and thats a good thing, thought without action won't accomplish much.
For myself, after reading schauberger and Walters work I understand the terminology they use is part of what it represents. I think I would do the same, trying to mix their concepts and terminology with mainstream would be a lesson in confusion and confusion is something I know very well. As well, I think the bigger the mix of backgrounds the better off we will be, we need every perspective we can get.