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Free Solid State/mechanical energy

Started by KSW, April 13, 2005, 06:59:25 PM

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samebarbosi

Quote from: Maximumgravity1 on May 03, 2007, 02:06:07 PM
Here is another simple question:


"It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction;"

Why??


Here Tesla referred to the external capacitance (H), not to capacitance intrinsic to his coils.

samebarbosi

allcanadian,

Although you made your point throwing me in pondering mode, I feel I didn't chose my example right, as I see I'm not ready yet to comprehend naturally. I'm talking about diamagnetism.

I'll explain. As much as [I believe] I understand the working of BEMF, "diamagnetism = BEMF" is at this stage just Erfinder's statement, and without proper understanding I cannot make it my own yet.

Thanks for the examples from Schauberger, it makes much more sense now than before.

I was reviewing earlier postings and I found something...

Erfinder:
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When you realize that we are using the currents manifested in the secondary windings only, this will mark the moment that you begun to change your thinking, and have received your first true taste of the force Tesla was working with.

Smashing! At least for me...
So until I'm not picturing this whole movie, I'll be rather silent. Or asking questions.
Such as: After first BEMF we could remove the primery coils (if we could) and the process will continue indefinitely?


It looks like Leedskalnin's PMH. He applied DC to his coils (EMF), then removed the connection (BEMF), the the device was holding indefinitely.

PS: Second related question: And the rotor turns?

allcanadian

@samebarbosi
you said
I'll explain. As much as I understand the working of BEMF, "diamagnetism = BEMF" is at this stage just Erfinder's statement, and without proper understanding I cannot make it my own yet.

Let's look at this statement.
Positive Charge = Paramagnetism = EMF
Negative Discharge = Diamagnetism = BEMF

We know a positive charge or EMF from a battery when travelling through a coil of wire produces a magnetic field in an iron core(paramagnetism).
Now lets say we disconnected the battery wire very quickly, if you could look in the wire and see the electricity as maybe beach balls moving along in the wire, the sudden disconnection from the battery would be like a massive decompression in the wire so all the beach balls having internal pressure would explode. The beach balls or electricity on exploding become something else smaller in size, fragments, this is electrostatic charge. These electrostatic fragments because they are now negatively charged become diamagnetic, diamagnetic basically meaning to have no magnetism or repelling magnetism. Its not so much that something "IS" diamagnetic it's the fact that it is no longer paramagnetic. It's become the opposite.


Such as: after first BEMF we could remove the primery coils (if we could) and the process will continue indefinitely?
Looks like Leedskalnin's PMH.


If you removed the primary coils the secondary circuit would be a standard LC circuit, and would alternate like a dampened AC circuit, coming to rest very quickly, even more so because of phase lag interaction with the rotor.


Erfinder:

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When you realize that we are using the currents manifested in the secondary windings only, this will mark the moment that you begun to change your thinking, and have received your first true taste of the force Tesla was working with.


Now this is interesting, basically my last post stated that the primary coil E does not drive the circuit ,nor does the source current.
The primary E provides a means to produce a BEMF in the secondary coil F. So in secondary coil F we have a EMF to initiate the process, the Bemf in the secondary F basically drives the magnetic field out of the coil (diamagnetism) and as far as the rest of the secondary circuit is concerned the coil F has just turned into a capacitor. It is important to remember that the secondary circuit is a closed loop and as such , Any current flowing in one part of the circuit flows in all parts of the circuit. So what happens when the secondary coil F disappears and becomes a capacitor? Im still working on this.
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samebarbosi

@allcanadian

Thanks for the answers and it looks like I didn't turn every rock.
Very graphic representation with the beach balls.
Now because I want to turn few rock I left behind...

Quote from: allcanadian on May 03, 2007, 04:54:13 PM
The beach balls or electricity on exploding become something else smaller in size, fragments, this is electrostatic charge. These electrostatic fragments because they are now negatively charged become diamagnetic, diamagnetic basically meaning to have no magnetism or repelling magnetism.

How do you know the fragments are negatively charged? (bold emphasis added)
Because is not pressure anymore and is suction instead?

I have more but might depend on your answer. You have this gift to answer to more than one question at the time.  ;D

allcanadian

How do they get negatively charged? Hmm
I know Victor Schauberger produced negatively supercharged water by moving it past a positively charged catalyst like copper. Lord Kelvin used this in his water drop experiment, which V.S. found very interesting.. I think it's called electrostatic induction.
In Teslas machine we have a transformer and coils, I didn't mean for the beach ball analogy to be taken literally, but we could say we have an interface in this analogy.
That is the wire, positively charged on the outside with neutral fragments moving internally, the fact that the fragments move past a positively charged body is all that is needed for electrostatic induction. Lord kelvin and Victor Schauberger used a positively charged ring with air/water vapor moving through the charged ring to produce negative charge in the water by induction. It does not matter if the water is blown through the positive ring or sucked the induction still takes place, Victor used suction because it produced more beneficial effects down the line.

Sorry I just read your question again, I know the fragments are negatively charged because of the following statement.
Negative Discharge = Diamagnetism = BEMF
and the fact Victor Scauberger says in no uncertain terms his water has a negative potential.

A positive charge produces a magnetic field
A collapsing magnetic field produces a negative discharge
So I think part of the key must be speed of collapse and potential produced by it.
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