increase OU of captret

[fritz]

Apart of electrochemic processes - a cap with more complex geometry than a perfect plate cap in vacuum is never empty.
If you discharge such a cap by chort-circuit its leads - you nullify the output voltage. This doesn´t mean that the cap is chargewise completly empty.
The sum of all internal voltages in combination with the charge distribution after short circuit is "0".
This means that there are residual voltages and charges which nullify in relation to the leads.
Due to distributed leakage - this residual charge may rearrange after certain time - giving a rising voltage at the output leads.
This effect can increase dramatically if you switch to electrolytic caps, adding up electrochemical processes.
fyr.

[dequadin]

Apart of electrochemic processes - a cap with more complex geometry than a perfect plate cap in vacuum is never empty.
If you discharge such a cap by chort-circuit its leads - you nullify the output voltage. This doesn´t mean that the cap is chargewise completly empty.
The sum of all internal voltages in combination with the charge distribution after short circuit is "0".
This means that there are residual voltages and charges which nullify in relation to the leads.
Due to distributed leakage - this residual charge may rearrange after certain time - giving a rising voltage at the output leads.
This effect can increase dramatically if you switch to electrolytic caps, adding up electrochemical processes.
fyr.

good to hear other voices.
So, I would like to ask a question. I know you are mentioning about the "relaxation" of a cap.
however, the time for the "relaxation" should be enough in a week of time. You can compare the different between the voltage different of 2 leads of the cap with the voltage different of captret & 2legs. The result is 2 leads near the same potential, however 2leads & captret around 0.5V in serval minute.
Can you explain why?
Only one thing can let the "relaxation" can't be effective, which is high freq. And that will pulsing the -ve charge from the chemical to be electronic/ionize towards the captret.

I am not going to say the sum of all internal voltage is "0" after short circuit, but same potential. as we know, both 3 metal plate are separated with capacity characteristic. The chemical which should shared for 3 plates, how 3 plates act differently?

Yes, you can say because of weak battery characteristic of a lytic cap. But can how we separate the terms of battery and generator?
chemical process!?who's knows!

So, I am trying to increase the output power from these cap in my project.

[casstete]

what happened in the end ?

[dequadin]

what happened in the end ?

2~3W output has been made, however the power output can't be step-up even scaling up the device in 10 times.
I am still developing and trying to solve this problem.
The output just like a static charge.Even I shorted the circuit, it won't heat-up.
That's what I am facing. I haven't gone! I am still working on it.

[casstete]

2~3W output has been made, however the power output can't be step-up even scaling up the device in 10 times.
I am still developing and trying to solve this problem.
The output just like a static charge.Even I shorted the circuit, it won't heat-up.
That's what I am facing. I haven't gone! I am still working on it.

when you scale it do you increase the load potential as well ? Do you make a larger device without a load or same load or increase the load ?

I agree with you that the galvanic process can't be seperated from the potential teluric energy .

IF you increase the load and it rises you however have a classic "free energy " device .  Jean Luis Naudin explains this on his Lenzless generator Page .

Electricity is a expression of magnetism so it's the same effect you should see and we also see it on Bedidni's wheel that requires less energy from source when load battery are empty & wheel is spinning full speed than full battery slow spinning wheel .

+ Bedini claims ( and so do others ) that the wheel spins faster at full mon , chec to see if you get a potential difference at full moon ; )

A little out there but why not