Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

[poynt99]

If the bifilar pulser does outperform the conventional coil pulser, then I would recommend an input power measurement comparison to be sure there is no discrepancy. With the higher turn-to-turn capacitance it might be possible that the bifilar coil is being energized to a higher level on each pulse.

[Magluvin]

If the bifilar pulser does outperform the conventional coil pulser, then I would recommend an input power measurement comparison to be sure there is no discrepancy. With the higher turn-to-turn capacitance it might be possible that the bifilar coil is being energized to a higher level on each pulse.

Yes, this could be the case. I imagine it so really. Once they have been tested for any difference in pulse and rotor motion, if I send one pulse to the coils, using a charged cap as the source to see how far the rotor goes, then we can calculate from what is left in the cap. Those 2 tests together would say one way or the other pretty much. To further the test, rigging a way to measure the amount of energy induced into the rotor motion. Will have the single wire coils done soon and then I have to mark and drill the rotor for magnets.


I find it fascinating that Lasersabers motor even moves with 5v  20kohm of series coils and 1ua usage. Its really one for the science books I would say. It has changed the way I envision what certain amounts of power can do in a sense. It kinda makes an LED running at 30ma seem like a huge amount of power in comparison. Like if LS's motor were made larger or stacked lets say in parallel connection, it would take a lot of stacks to get 30ma consumption. And I would have to say that at 30ma, from what I have seen, it would be pretty powerful. 

Mags

edited something little that didnt make sense.

[MileHigh]

It's quiet around here, perhaps we are waiting for some test results.  So I will go back and comment on my question and the answer.

The question:  You have an ideal inductor of three Henries.   You connect the inductor to an ideal voltage source of seven volts.  What will happen?

The answer:  i = 7/3 t

So the current flow is zero when the voltage source is first connected (t = 0).  Then the current rises in a linear ramp, at one second, the current is 2.33 amps.  At two seconds, the current is 4.67 amps.  After ten minutes, the current is 1400 amps.

Notice that as time goes on, more and more power is being pumped into the coil.   At one second, the power flow into the coil is 16.33 watts.  At ten minutes, the power flow into the coil is 9800 watts.

The coil is soaking up all of this power supplied by the voltage source and storing it.

A mechanical inductor is simply a flywheel that spins on a a high quality bearing.  You substitute the voltage for torque.  You substitute the current flow for angular velocity.  You substitute the inductance for the moment of inertia.

The question could have been rephrased:  You have a flywheel on perfect bearings with a moment of inertia of three kilogram-meters-squared.  You connect a constant torque source to the flywheel of seven newton-meters.  What will happen?  I am sure that you can all imagine what will happen if you think about the flywheel example.

People talk about doing all sorts of fancy lab experiments and Tesla impulse experiments but they can't even answer a basic question about how a coil functions.  That means there is a good chance your lab experiments are just going to be a fuzzy walk down a garden path of your own creation, and not real research.

I'll give another example.  Nowadays most people are just average Jow Blows when it comes to performing maintenance on their car engine.  They open the hood and see a network of hoses and cables, you can barely even see the engine block.  It's not like looking under the hood in the 1960s.  They have no clue what the majority of those hoses are.  The average Joe Blow does not have the umbilical connector and equipment to jack into the engine computer and read the error codes and interpret them and know what action to take.  So the average Joe Blow would not even consider doing an engine overhaul, it's just too complicated and outside of his area of expertise.

But on the forums, people that don't understand the basic building blocks of electronics are more than happy to do "research" into high frequency impulse effects and play with coils, etc, etc.  A wise person would want to master the basics before doing that.  That ties into the whole "intense" debate that transpired here.  Not one person was willing to say, "I don't know the answer but I would like to learn."

So we can now return to the quiet time on the thread and wait for results or whatever...

[Magluvin]

It's quiet around here, perhaps we are waiting for some test results.  So I will go back and comment on my question and the answer.

The question:  You have an ideal inductor of three Henries.   You connect the inductor to an ideal voltage source of seven volts.  What will happen?

The answer:  i = 7/3 t

So the current flow is zero when the voltage source is first connected (t = 0).  Then the current rises in a linear ramp, at one second, the current is 2.33 amps.  At two seconds, the current is 4.67 amps.  After ten minutes, the current is 1400 amps.

Notice that as time goes on, more and more power is being pumped into the coil.   At one second, the power flow into the coil is 16.33 watts.  At ten minutes, the power flow into the coil is 9800 watts.

The coil is soaking up all of this power supplied by the voltage source and storing it.

A mechanical inductor is simply a flywheel that spins on a a high quality bearing.  You substitute the voltage for torque.  You substitute the current flow for angular velocity.  You substitute the inductance for the moment of inertia.

The question could have been rephrased:  You have a flywheel on perfect bearings with a moment of inertia of three kilogram-meters-squared.  You connect a constant torque source to the flywheel of seven newton-meters.  What will happen?  I am sure that you can all imagine what will happen if you think about the flywheel example.

People talk about doing all sorts of fancy lab experiments and Tesla impulse experiments but they can't even answer a basic question about how a coil functions.  That means there is a good chance your lab experiments are just going to be a fuzzy walk down a garden path of your own creation, and not real research.

I'll give another example.  Nowadays most people are just average Jow Blows when it comes to performing maintenance on their car engine.  They open the hood and see a network of hoses and cables, you can barely even see the engine block.  It's not like looking under the hood in the 1960s.  They have no clue what the majority of those hoses are.  The average Joe Blow does not have the umbilical connector and equipment to jack into the engine computer and read the error codes and interpret them and know what action to take.  So the average Joe Blow would not even consider doing an engine overhaul, it's just too complicated and outside of his area of expertise.

But on the forums, people that don't understand the basic building blocks of electronics are more than happy to do "research" into high frequency impulse effects and play with coils, etc, etc.  A wise person would want to master the basics before doing that.  That ties into the whole "intense" debate that transpired here.  Not one person was willing to say, "I don't know the answer but I would like to learn."

So we can now return to the quiet time on the thread and wait for results or whatever...

Quiet? 8 posts since yesterday morning.    But I can say it was a nice break from your insulting, degrading, page filling posts.

Maybe its that nobody wanted to give you the time of day in answering your question.

Gyula surely knows the answer. I know the answer. Im sure Syncro and Jbigs know also. So now you have answered yourself. After reading your self answer, ive gota say, what is your point? Is it that without the resistance you wanted to demonstrate infinite current climb in the inductor over time? Is that it? All those pages of repeatedly hashing out, "Answer my question!!!"        Now that was a waste of time. Big time.


You dont think I understand the relationships between an inductor and a flywheel? Well, that was a year ago or so, and we know you have memory problems that you deal with, on a daily basis at times , soo, if you cannot remember the thread, let me know and I will help you out there if need be.

"People talk about doing all sorts of fancy lab experiments and Tesla impulse experiments but they can't even answer a basic question about how a coil functions.  That means there is a good chance your lab experiments are just going to be a fuzzy walk down a garden path of your own creation, and not real research."

All talky and no walky?      Yeah yeah, I know, its been 30 years.You dont have to say it again.    Ill do it for you when its appropriate.


"I'll give another example.  Nowadays most people are just average Jow Blows when it comes to performing maintenance on their car engine.  They open the hood and see a network of hoses and cables, you can barely even see the engine block.  It's not like looking under the hood in the 1960s.  They have no clue what the majority of those hoses are.  The average Joe Blow does not have the umbilical connector and equipment to jack into the engine computer and read the error codes and interpret them and know what action to take.  So the average Joe Blow would not even consider doing an engine overhaul, it's just too complicated and outside of his area of expertise."

Oh really?  Jow Blows? lol  Mr Perfect you are. 

Yeah. These cars today are a mess. But they are not as bad as what I am working on at my job.

We received a 1965 mercedes that the customer had at another shop for 5 years and $430,000 into it thus far. The car is painted, no interior, no lights, no bumpers, no trim, piles of wire on the floor all over, some cut, stripped, some marked, some not, bare wires here there everywhere.

Open the hood and what do we see. A 5.0 10cyl twin turbo engine from a VW Touareg, all nice and neat, and tight. The things is a sleeper. Race suspension, Jag rear end, just sick.

The customer pulled the job from the other shop because they wanted another $50,000 to finish it.

Inside the car, wires and plugs for modules all over. No harnessing except for what goes out to the engine bay. Like the guy that did the engine bay wasnt on crack, but the other guy working on the inside was on crack. Or the engine bay guy had just started crack when he got to the interior.

The first week I went through all the rats nest and fixed up some general harnesses to get things in some sort of order. They had wires going direct to other places just twisted in a mess. Located the 8 of over 20 Touareg modules, and installed them to their plug connector locations, only after careful study over the wiring diagrams from Mitchel and internet info, as some plug connectors were the same here and there. Also there are 2 ECU's, 1 for 1/2 of the motor and the other for the other half. They are not interchangeable according to info in the internet, but the part numbers are the same, go figure. They were marked 1 and 2 as were the plugs.

First issue was no power to just about everything. All the original power control modules and relays were replaced with DIY. The Touareg has some big relays and lots of them, but we dont have 4wd anymore, no traction control, airbags, electronic suspension, second fuel pump, etc etc. We only have 2 ECU, steering control module, Accessory start module, comfort module, Lighting module and the gauge cluster, which is considered a control module, and finally the transmission control module.

After checking for power at my power relays, the biggest one had no b+ to be switched on. So I traced the wires back to the batteries in the trunk. Well the power wire for the relay was taped up in the harness near the batteries, as if it were never to be used. With an eyelet connector ready to connect to the + side of the battery, where there are many other wires already. Supposedly the other shop had it running before we got it. Hmmm, well it couldnt have run with that wire all 'hidden' like that.

So now we have 'some' power, for some things. Electronic ign switch did nada except allow me to remove the key by turning it to the left first. That was the only thing that worked. But I had powers to other things that didnt have it before. I hooked up the VAGCOM VW interface to the diagnostics connector to see what it might show up. I had communications to the steering module and thats it.

I went over all the modules to check for power, grounds. All were good except for the gauges. Once I got power going to the gauges, all I got was an initialization screen on the lcd and still no communications to it or the other modules. I physically checked all data lines between modules. All seemed to be ok where they were joined together by the other shop and all went to the plugs of the modules they were suppose to. There are 3 sets of data lines, only 2 used here.

So now I checked to see if the data lines were possibly shorted to each other or to gnd. Like maybe a module could have been bad, etc.  Well well, 1 set of data lines were shorted. So I start unplugging modules 1 by 1. Bamo, acc/start module was the problem. I checked the 2 pins according to the schematic and no short to be found.
I then opened the plug connector cover to see the actual wire pinouts. Hmm, the data lines were not there in the terminal holes they were suppose to be in. They were in 2 blanks according to the diagram. So I removed the retainer clip that holds all the pins in the connector and put them where they were suppose to be. Badabing, we have liftoff!    We now have communications with all modules. But no start. Starter runs and runs but no ignition. Its diesel by the way.  These guys at the original shop swapped the data lines in the acc/start plug connector so that the next shop would have a real problem getting things going. Well they didnt know I was in town.

The power wire was another slick move by them, but amateurish move in comparison. There were others also, like relays on the harness that passed through seat mounting frame works in the floor, but no relays or gnd connections. If I didnt go over 'every' wire, I might not have found those relays. The wiring in that area looked complete and tied up. These guys rigged it up for disaster for another shop.

There were many wires that were not terminated yet. Some were marked, like fuel sending unit, windshield washer fluid level, etc, all things that I did not put any time into yet, because if I cant get the engine running, all else does not matter.

So I went over the wiring between modules pin to pin. All seemed ok.
I cleared all the codes(9 of them) and the fans made a different sound. They were lower in freq. I said hmm, give it a shot. It started!!  yay!!   Actually it scared me. I wasnt expecting it. This engine isnt quiet.  But once I shut it off, I was back to square one, no restart. But if I clear the codes, she starts. After doing some programming and eliminating things like EGR, etc. which isnt on the motor any longer, and getting rid of airbag processes and other things that wont be needed(the gauge cluster was a literal christmas tree beforehand, she still didnt restart without clearing codes. I cant clear 1 code at a time to isolate code and symptom. We had a guy that knows this stuff. He and I did a lot of research and he has a lot of friends at VW. We got a lot of good info but no non-restart answers. Nobody wants to even come and look at it. They dont like this motor much and all of them said that it was idiotic to do a conversion with that engine.

After some research, Frank and I came to a conclusion. It came down to the possibility that ecu 1 and 2 could be swapped and were marked incorrectly by the other shop. Examining the schematics, each ecu had identical wiring for 'some' things, not all. All the guys at VW said if we swapped them, the 'immobilizer' would be set off and the car would have to be sent to them and they have to communicate with VW servers in Germany, bla bla bla. Lets put it this way, about $500 min.

But we did it anyways. Badabing again!!!  She runs and restarts!! 

Now we are finishing up the other wiring beyond the engine requirements and finish the rest of the car.


So Milehigh oh so high, you can take your Jow Bow and put it you know where.

Who do you think your messing with? I can blow your mind with what I know about cars.  I dont answer your ridiculous questions because I know that it doesnt mean much in the end. I know how coils work. Yet you yap and yap and yap on about the simple things. Well Im beyond that and going further. I know you dont have the ability to go beyond the walls of your box. But Im not going to follow your lead, of which is distracting and full of balony half the time. Its a waste. It was nice here for a day. And now your back.



"A wise person would want to master the basics before doing that. "

More insults.



"So we can now return to the quiet time on the thread and wait for results or whatever..."

The only reason it 'seemed' quiet is because you were not filling 2 pages a day with your so called 30 years ago expertise, and convenient forgetfulness where you see fit.

Mags

[MileHigh]

You are one piece of work Magluvin....

The question was posed for a valid reason, Jbignes5 made two postings filled with nonsense and disinformation whose roots stem from the "we are into 'alternative' electronics that conventional science doesn't understand" angle.  That was the disinformation and the basic question illustrated that point.

The person that insults and degrades is you, and you make a fool of yourself when you do it.  You didn't know the answer, no chance Synchro1 or Jbignes5 did.  If they knew they would have answered.  So you are lying.  Even the fact that you would claim they knew shows how low you are willing to stoop.  Everybody with half a brain sees through you - you make these ridiculous nonsensical statements where everybody knows you are lying, including you yourself.  It's pathetic.

we know you have memory problems that you deal with

Do you have any self-respect Magluvin?  That crap is the worst of the worst, just like watching awful gratuitous spinning on a political talk show by some sleazy out-of-control political hack.  It's gross and you are demeaning and degrading yourself when you act like that.

You talk about filling up the thread and then you give us a big treatise on working on a car???  The pot calling the kettle black.

So Milehigh oh so high, you can take your Jow Bow and put it you know where.

Making a jackass out of yourself.  Taking a hypothetical example that anybody can relate to and talking about your own occupation.  That's just mindless logic that anybody can see through and you keep on digging that hole for yourself.

Mastering the basics is sound advice, not an insult.  More mindless nonsense from you.

Before I jumped back into this thread it was going nowhere and nobody even talked about the basic parameters for the coil.  Nobody dealt with what the self-resonance was all about, including you.  You had no concept and kept on confusing the AC and DC operation and I taught you.

You can take your whole sleazy and lying post and shove it up your exhaust pipe.  Be a man and not some MileHigh attack troll.  Get yourself some self respect and character.

MileHigh