Big try at gravity wheel

[MarkE]

Now that explanation is what is predicted (expected) in accordance with the rules that science has developed from previous observations.  Not that those are wrong...

You tested an extraordinary claim and dismiss it without comparing it to a control experiment.  Or at least you never showed the control experiments and corresponding measurements.  Instead, you explain the higher head pressure away (understandably) using currently understood science.  Instead of testing.

Just how do you know the higher pressure manifested "for a shorter time?"

Please don't think I'm trying to goad you into performing more tests.  It is only that I am used to you proving your points by presenting excellent experiments and data.  Even when they are redundant to the point of being moribund.  I am just curious how you draw your conclusion.

M.

I thought that TK's conventional Heron fountain without the inverted ZED style plunger was TK's control experiment. 

[Pirate88179]

People do not like the truth because they want to believe in miracles. Debunking is not popular because it destroys illusions. Facts are boring because they prove a reality one wants to escape from.

Nice and clear measurements which demonstrate grave errors in wondrous machines are quickly forgotten. Facts which could easily be verified by everybody are constantly overlooked. Apparent false claims are believed instead of the overwhelming arguments against them.

But people just love to be bamboozled. They love sweet talk specially when god is brought into the equation. How nice it is if someone lies to support a long awaited miracle. How we all love tall tales and hints at things to come tomorrow, just not today, just a little more effort, and we get salvation from all worries.

Why are we lingering in this forum? Do we want to hear the big thing? Are we expecting the final OU proof?

I am just a little better than the deluded ones, just one step away from believing in the impossible. You may accuse me of false hope. I hope that one day the impossible will be done. I am just not far gone enough to believe in clumsy prophets with a badly designed machine and who contradict themselfs every fifth sentence.

But if the master deceiver appears I might as well fall for his spiel.

Greetings, Conrad

Conrad:

You are correct.  Some people like to be fooled and, to make sure that they really believe in being fooled, send money to the folks that have scams.  It is to reinforce their beliefs.  I detest those that take advantage of these poor folks.  I am not sure we can stop it other than by busting those bogus claims as we do here on this forum.  But, sometimes, you just can't help some people.

Bill

[mondrasek]

I thought that TK's conventional Heron fountain without the inverted ZED style plunger was TK's control experiment.

That could be.  But if so, it was unclear to me how the time factor is supposed to be measured.

Are both of those experimental setups identical so as to be an "apples to apples" comparison where we can compare flow vs. pressure over time?  Ie. no volumes changed?

[Pirate88179]

Did anyone ever get anything else but the run around from Travis (except Webby of course)?

The "Travis Effect" is a Red Herring. But the best Red Herrings are real fish, after all.

Ol' Wayne never liked me much, even though I was the only one (in public at least) who rose to his challenge to make a table-top selfrunning water pump incorporating the ZED effect.  Personally, I find this demonstration fairly dramatic, and I'm puzzled as to why it didn't cause more of a stir at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU

Hey, isn't that the JonnyDolittle design that he clams that you stole from him even though you posted your idea a month before he came up his idea?  It is hard to tell because you actually built yours and he just has some design parameters that he has written down somewhere. He will actually build it someday...just wait and see.

It did cause a bit of a stir with ol' Jonny.

Bill

[Marsing]

Conrad .. FWIW - these types of forums serve a purpose - they are a place where people can congregate & share ideas & opinions - we don't always agree & that diversity makes it interesting at times - some are quick to believe claims without iron-clad proof whilst others will remain skeptics until the bitter end - that is, unless a working model is produced & independently verified by qualified & trustworthy individuals, they will not look for a possibility in the known physics & math that could provide a pathway to OU & PM in the vernacular - both positions are polarizing & neither of particular merit - an open mind to possibilities is more an advantage to exploring new potential paradigms than to become a science bigot constantly falling back on what we have learned.

That said, this forum & others teach you more about human nature than science & the scientific method - if you can keep it in perspective & recognize these undercurrents of human nature, ego's & emotionally charged arguments you will find it an altogether more enjoyable experience [as I'm sure you do].

The benefit from this experience is that exposure to sometimes volatile & emotionally charged individuals & their arguments desensitizes you & then you begin to see the same patterns of communication everywhere around you in daily life & work environments - it is the human condition & it pays to understand it - soon you realize that entire markets are driven by the same precepts & even philosophy & economics etc are not immune to its covert influence.

An old adage I often keep in mind when reading this forum "trouble can't be where trouble can't go" - for me this simply means that if I understand the drivers for different personalities then I am less likely to respond out of character.

ETA: I also hope one day to be greatly surprised by something not easily explained, & that keeps me interested.

all  Readers, please read  fletcher post above ten times, it's universal

   you will find who you are, what role you are playing,
   don't be shy, they have noticed you.

attention : please don't drive to other topic with irrelevant comments.