Big try at gravity wheel

[orbut 3000]

all  Readers, please read  fletcher post above ten times, it's universal

   you will find who you are, what role you are playing,
   don't be shy, they have noticed you.

attention : please don't drive to other topic with irrelevant comments.

aberbut waswhat tutdoes dasthat bedeutenmean?

[Marsing]

aberbut waswhat tutdoes dasthat bedeutenmean?

lol
BtTrThNktwC    Or Nothing

[Red_Sunset]

Selected excerpts from Fletchers post #575
Position 1 & 2
1.. Some are quick to believe claims without iron-clad proof
2.. Others will remain skeptics until the bitter end –  They will not look for a possibility in the known physics & math that could provide a pathway to OU & PM in the vernacular.

Both positions 1 & 2 are polarizing & neither of particular merit
Position 3
3..  An open mind to possibilities is more an advantage to exploring new potential paradigms than to become a science bigot constantly falling back on what we have learned.   

Hi Fletcher,
A good post, well put, I enjoyed it,  If I may elaborate on your statements a little,

What does it mean, to keep an open mind?  >>  It would be neither position 1 neither position 2.
*  An open mind is not polarized; it has no left or right position or overruling opinion.
*  It can have temporary positions.
*  It explores all the possibilities presented

This means that "an open mind" process is the initial step towards forming an opinion of fitness.
To form an opinion requires a process
The quality & thoroughness of this process will determine the outcome substance.
We do not like always to expose our process followed to avoid being shot to smithereens on the forum high street.  Especially (position 2) skeptics with demanding agenda's without input.

At the same time, a quick believe is not necessary a head strong believe, rather an aim to focus in a possible feature with promise. When put on the spot, things tend to run quite rapidly out of hand and escalate in a process to defend a turf position (let it be only a temporary position).

I find the biggest shortcoming of the forum, the ability to present a point of view, conviction, opinion, even fact without any gain of supporting evidence. Some is better than none to document a viewpoint.

I do realize at the same time, that presenting evidence with appropriate graphical documentation takes a lot of work & time,  of which we have only a limited quantity.
This becomes definitely an obstruction in a discussion when both parties are not on the same level,  this would require a inordinate amount of effort on the part of the idea proposer to educate the opposer to a compatible level.

I sometimes get the impression that many members want to see an immediate clear cut OU solution , packaged A-Z including warranty. An impossible task or expectation at any time.

The symptoms of battle fatigue can also be seen,  the impatience because the zest to explore has been lost, previous time spent has become wasted time.

Just a few cents of observational anecdotes
Red_Sunset

[minnie]

Hi Webby,
            tried a few experiments and a float behaves just as expected, it experiences
gravity just like anything else.
    Try this, put open top container on scales, put water in and dip a finger in, watch
the weight increase!
                 John .

[TinselKoala]

I guess if you call being given information in an open thread "the run around",, then there were many right along with me who got it.

An interesting thing about a "float" is that it does not care how far it moves in gravity,, it is like it does not see gravity.  Well that is unless I am gong to be told that a fixed dimension float has more "float" the deeper it is under water or something.

You "Got it"? Others "got it" too? Great! Let's see your self-running ZED system then, since Wayne explained it to you so well, and you "got" his explanations.

Any other members of the "inner circle", the private discussion group that started after Wayne begged for his thread to be closed.... did they "get it" too? Why then is Wayne in such trouble? Where is any demonstration of OU from anyone involved with Wayne Travis? Nowhere, that's where.

Except of course in your own redefinition of what "overunity" means.

You got the runaround too, Webby, but since he gave you all that money, your own cognitive dissonance is preventing you from realizing it.

(Apparently I'm not the only one that doesn't "get" Travis's "explanations"... since he's got at least one lawsuit to deal with, and some investors are gathering pitchforks and lighting torches....)