Tesla's Charging Circuit and it's Application to Pulse Motors

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I've found the charging circuit from Tesla's patent "Electrical Igniter For Gas Engines" linked below, to be quite useful for improving the performance of pulse motors, firstly using the circuit as intended to get an increased charge into a capacitor (over the potential the supply can provide) for discharging through a coil, namely the motor coil or coils in a pulse motor, or other motor if applicable. I believe the nature of the sudden capacitor discharge through the coil is beneficial alone, and together with the increased potential serves a useful and practical purpose. This can be achieved by the charging circuit principal being applied to the pulse motor.

Secondly the magnetizing force produced by the charging coil when current flows through it can also be utilized to increase the torque of the rotor considerably with almost no appreciable extra cost in input power. I have not tested and quantified any benefits as yet but the increase in efficiency and torque for input (compared between when the charging circuit is used but the magnetizing force not utilized and when the magnetizing force is utilized) is obvious when done. And the pulse motor seems more efficient when a charging circuit is used compared to when one is not used as well. So I urge people to do some simple tests and see for themselves any possible benefits they can get from the principal as applied to pulse motors in this way. 

http://www.google.com/patents?id=iAVhAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

I've made a set of fairly lengthy video's to explain the principal and how I use it and what I am doing with the prototype motor I built to see if it would actually work. Being that the prototype is made from wood and there are many compromises made, it's efficiency and usefulness at low power inputs has surprised me, as well  the ability of the motor to run heavier loads (with adjustment) with more input is quite good as well.

Some video's are still uploading and I'll list them here when done.

This is an older video and I've made changes since, but it shows the effect of the charging coil being placed near the rotor and taken away, from 7:20 minutes in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1_KlgJ09Bs

This is the first of the lengthy video's showing and trying  to explain what I'm doing "at present" with Tesla's charging circuit in the motor and my control circuit ect.. My ability to explain things is poor.
Video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUxFHPMa65A

This is the second part of the lengthy explanation.
Video 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpnSD_4wO4Q

Video 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwSGBnX-wKE

Short demo with three outputs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BanKGAVa9SQ

They are lengthy but I don't know any other way to explain it than to just talk as if I'm explaining it to someone standing there with me and just nodding their head as I talk. hehehe, I'm not trying for presenter of the week that's for certain. 

The rotor in the prototype weighs 390 grams without the extra (squirrel cage pulley) on the shaft and about 580 with it on the shaft.

I'm quite happy to do specific tests if they can give some figures to consider. 

Cheers

[forest]

Farmhand, this is more about this ...Holy Grail of OU.... I'm working on solid state version but having problem with timings. Now look again at it and asnwer me where is reactive power now ?

[Magluvin]

Hi all, I've found the charging circuit from Tesla's patent "Electrical Igniter For Gas Engines" linked below, to be quite useful for improving the performance of pulse motors, firstly using the circuit as intended to get an increased charge into a capacitor (over the potential the supply can provide) for discharging through a coil, namely the motor coil or coils in a pulse motor, or other motor if applicable. I believe the nature of the sudden capacitor discharge through the coil is beneficial alone, and together with the increased potential serves a useful and practical purpose. This can be achieved by the charging circuit principal being applied to the pulse motor.

Secondly the magnetizing force produced by the charging coil when current flows through it can also be utilized to increase the torque of the rotor considerably with almost no appreciable extra cost in input power. I have not tested and quantified any benefits as yet but the increase in efficiency and torque for input (compared between when the charging circuit is used but the magnetizing force not utilized and when the magnetizing force is utilized) is obvious when done. And the pulse motor seems more efficient when a charging circuit is used compared to when one is not used as well. So I urge people to do some simple tests and see for themselves any possible benefits they can get from the principal as applied to pulse motors in this way. 

http://www.google.com/patents?id=iAVhAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

I've made a set of fairly lengthy video's to explain the principal and how I use it and what I am doing with the prototype motor I built to see if it would actually work. Being that the prototype is made from wood and there are many compromises made, it's efficiency and usefulness at low power inputs has surprised me, as well  the ability of the motor to run heavier loads (with adjustment) with more input is quite good as well.

Some video's are still uploading and I'll list them here when done.

This is an older video and I've made changes since, but it shows the effect of the charging coil being placed near the rotor and taken away, from 7:20 minutes in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1_KlgJ09Bs

This is the first of the lengthy video's showing and trying  to explain what I'm doing "at present" with Tesla's charging circuit in the motor and my control circuit ect.. My ability to explain things is poor.
Video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUxFHPMa65A

This is the second part of the lengthy explanation.
Video 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpnSD_4wO4Q

Still more soon. They are lengthy but I don't know any other way to explain it than to just talk as if I'm explaining it to someone standing there with me and just nodding their head as I talk. hehehe, I'm not trying for presenter of the week that's for certain. 

The rotor in the prototype weighs 390 grams without the extra (squirrel cage pulley) on the shaft and about 580 with it on the shaft.

I'm quite happy to do specific tests if they can give some figures to consider. 

Cheers

"Secondly the magnetizing force produced by the charging coil when current flows through it can also be utilized to increase the torque of the rotor considerably with almost no appreciable extra cost in input power."

There is a thread her on the Igniter that I started a while back.

Here is a motor that uses the 'large' inductance inductor as an orbo effect on the rotor that helps the rotor spin faster while charging the cap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2MwBg33D80

Mags

[Tito L. Oracion]

 

[Farmhand]

Second video is uploaded and linked in the first post. I''ll include a basic drawing showing as simple and correct a setup as I can draw, but I'll need to hand draw it to get the coil angles correct and whatnot. I'll make the drawing as a single motor coil and single charging coil with the component values that work for me and with just a 12 volt battery supply ect. The very basic setup. I won't post any other drawings here until I do that.


Forest, Please don't take this the wrong way, but I have no idea what you mean by

Farmhand, this is more about this ...Holy Grail of OU..

. Please elaborate ! Do you think I am showing OU ? That's an honest question. Not sarcasm.

I'm also unsure of the next part.

I'm working on solid state version but having problem with timings.

Do you mean you are working on a solid state version of something making use of a charging circuit setup for pulsing coils or for some other purpose ?

The last part as well is a bit confusing to me.

Now look again at it and answer me where is reactive power now ?

With my arrangement there is a blocking diode so no power can return to the supply, therefore the power factor (if there could be said there is a power factor for this type of setup) would in one kind of way be 1.0 or 0.98 maybe for my motor. All power taken from the supply is used.

I don't see the discharge of energy from the collapse of the magnetic field of a coil as "reactive power" as such. In a system where the energy can return to the supply then that energy which does return is represented as "reactive power" and quantified or described as the "power factor", as I see it anyhow. The utilization of the "de-q-ing" diode prevents any reactive power returning to the supply from the positive rail. However when the charge battery is connected in series with the supply battery some current does flow to the positive terminal, but my experiments indicate that it does not add to the supply, rather that energy is dissipated in the battery or otherwise. When I remove all of the energy discharged from the motor coils from the motor circuit (out of it's "system") and switch it through an external load (without the caps or anything being in series with the supply) then the setup seems to run very much the same except the energy seems to better utilized by taking it out of the system than it is when it is recycled. I think this is due to the motor coil being subjected to increasingly more and more current until equilibrium when the motor coil discharges are recycled in full with not much actual load.

Cheers