Self-sustained power generator

[weston14]

@libreenergia first law of thermodynamics states that  energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. what I propose is transforming not creating . excess energy really ? so if you pedal a bike with an attached dynamo to the tire  then you stop pedaling you ask your self why the light is still on ? or you just acknowledge that Kinetic energy is being transform to electric energy ? think about it if you need to see the video again is fine , by the way I do not like pink unicorns hahaha she-ra yes
I don't think I need more then ten equations to prove this on paper I'll take it as a challenge if somebody tries to prove me wrong like this.

[MileHigh]

The clockwork of the Universe is not running in your favour Weston14.

The old motor connected to a generator connected to the motor idea doesn't work.

[LibreEnergia]

@libreenergia first law of thermodynamics states that  energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. what I propose is transforming not creating . excess energy really ? so if you pedal a bike with an attached dynamo to the tire  then you stop pedaling you ask your self why the light is still on ? or you just acknowledge that Kinetic energy is being transform to electric energy ? think about it if you need to see the video again is fine , by the way I do not like pink unicorns hahaha she-ra yes
I don't think I need more then ten equations to prove this on paper I'll take it as a challenge if somebody tries to prove me wrong like this.

Consider this.. if this were capable of 'self running' as you claim then we would put it inside a 'black box' and not allow any energy input into the box..  Would we then be able to extract usable power from it forever ?

Yes / No? 

If you think yes then there is your the break of the law of conservation of energy right there. No energy in, but energy coming out implies energy is being created inside the box. Doesn't happen, even you admit that.

So,  lets put some energy into the box to start with. Maybe spin up a flywheel and then use that stored kinetic energy to turn a generator..

Now, to be useful as an 'energy generation device' it would need to return more energy to us than we put into it.

So, we measure the ENERGY required to spin up the flywheel. Lets say it is 10 MJ. We then let it spin down and measure the ENERGY output as electrical energy. However, we know that due to friction and lower than unity generation efficiency we will get back less than our 10 MJ input.. lets say the whole system is 90% efficient and we get back 9 MJ  We then use that 9 MJ to spin up our flywheel and get back a bit less than 8 MJ ..

and so on.

...Until the process eventually stops. All our ten MJ of energy has all been dissipated, mostly as heat, and we haven't managed to extract any useful work from the system.

Unless the thing 'inside the black box' actually creates energy (or perhaps absorbs it from some unknown source)  then this is the inevitable result.

We could try fooling ourselves of course , as you appear to be doing by measuring the POWER during the spin up the flywheel and then measuring the POWER available from the generator and claiming success. However you must integrate any power measurements over the time it is applied to come up with an energy balance for the device. When you do this you'll find devices such as this are completely fruitless.

 

[LibreEnergia]

Of course lots of people fall into the same trap..

take Wayne Travis who once graced these boards regularly. He is still 'almost there' with the Hydro energy device (read the Current Objectives at his website http://www.hydroenergyrevolution.com/index.php/current-objectives)

I quote:

"Let me give you a little hint.... We use the "Travis effect" on the upstroke - and "Archimedes" on the down stroke - the excess energy comes from the efficiency difference between those two methods."

Personally I think they are measuring instantaneous power output on the up and down strokes and claiming an excess. (and there probably is for a short period of the stroke). However, they never attempt to do a full energy balance of the entire process over time.

Of course,  they may not have attempted that from an intellectual point of view but physically the continuing failure to produce a self running device should serve as notice...

[forest]

LibreEnergia


You waste your time ! It works exactly like evey animal body, energy is taken from outside, we just don't know yet the exact process of tapping that energy.