another Self looped Generator Claim

[tinman]

@ Profitis
You seem to have theories on many things,but no actual devices???. I have never been one for lots of talk,and no action. By some of your statments,it seems that you are unwilling to forward any sort of schematic or working device,until such time as it will make you money?. While i have no problem with people making money from there hard work,i dont much care for lots of talk, with nothing to backup said claims.First you claim the karpen pile battery is an OU device,but you refuse to build it. Now you claim to know how to build a working all magnet motor,but once again hide under the unprotected claim. A forum like this is to share your idea's with others, that could lead to a device that helps us all out. But all you share is copious amounts of unproven theories, with no intention of ever showing any atempt at a working device.

I guess my (and many others) question is-why are you here? It's all good to have theories,but talk is cheap-actions speak louder than word's.
I myself ,have not built an OU device. But like many here,i put my thoughts into actions,in way of actual device's,and share my work for all to see. So far,not one proven OU device has ever been presented on this forum or any other-but we keep on trying. So how about you put your thoughts into actions,and share with us, like we share with you.

I will agree with you on one thing,and that is-if i manage to build a device that i believe to me a(so called)OU device,the first person i will be calling to confirm said device will be Mark. Once Mark confirms that the device is powered by an unknown power source,then we  get a third party to also test the device (some one like poynt,TK or MileHigh)-people that know there stuff. This can be done under an NDA from all involved,so your device would remain your's,along with the operating priciples. So there is no reason you have not to put your theories into a working device,and have it confirmed to opperate as you claim it will. Then after that is done Profitis,you will make your profit. But until then,you have nothing but unconfirmed theories.

[Pirate88179]

Tinman:

I agree 100%.  This is an Open Source forum is it not?  There are several folks on here that do the same thing....talk like they "know" something, but never show it or explain it to others.  I too hope to be making a little money from some of my little devices so, I have no problem with that.  Experimenting and equipment to do so costs money.  My problem is when folks claim that they have a working magnet motor, or self-looped electronic device....but never show it to anyone or do anything with it.  This leads me to believe that they have nothing and know little.  I am sorry but what else are we to conclude?

Bill

[Farmhand]

It does always come back to the same thing, that is what "we" personally consider as OU.

Free space cannot power loads, we need a device to harness free energy or transfer/transform work then we can use the energy to power loads or get work done ect.. Cheaply.

There will always be an outlay of "Plant and Equipment" and in some cases a small amount of start up energy or fuel to use maybe.

However anything over C.O.P. 1.0 is OU to me. The cost of the machine to harness it means little in that respect because costs can be cut and devices improved.
Some can be got/made at no monetary cost. Our man hours are ours we do not need to charge ourselves money for our own work periods. 

Improving the efficiency of something from 70% to 90% is as good to me as improving one from 90% to 110%.
The over 100% isn't a "turn on" to me as it happens all the time in several ways already.

The cost of "Plant and Equipment" never should come into any input v output efficiency calculation.

And C.O.P. is calculated on our input compared to effective or usable output no laws need be considered.

Therefore to my way of thinking, Solar powered systems, Wind powered systems, Hydro powered systems
and Earth Battery powered systems are all full blown OU systems or "Methods". All over C.O.P. 1.0 capable easily.

Cheers

Couple of EDITs

[profitis]

@tinman..let me answer your questions with a question. why arent you the slightest bit concerned about the paralytic inability of our resident expert on thermodynamics,libre,to counter-attack my prescribed experiment above?why arent you able to attack it?im here to teach people tinman,with replicable experiments that they themselves can do at home,that the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not extend beyond certain limits.that is my main duty,at least on this website.my other duty is to sniff out guys with power and influence that want to make money and who may be able to help me make money.thats it in a nutshell @tinman.im not interested in 3rd party testers,or varifications.i only go by the text-book as i have done with the karpen example.i suspect markdansie,s influence extends past just varifications so ima keep an eye.   

[markdansie]

@tinman..let me answer your questions with a question. why arent you the slightest bit concerned about the paralytic inability of our resident expert on thermodynamics,libre,to counter-attack my prescribed experiment above?why arent you able to attack it?im here to teach people tinman,with replicable experiments that they themselves can do at home,that the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not extend beyond certain limits.that is my main duty,at least on this website.my other duty is to sniff out guys with power and influence that want to make money and who may be able to help me make money.thats it in a nutshell @tinman.im not interested in 3rd party testers,or varifications.i only go by the text-book as i have done with the karpen example.i suspect markdansie,s influence extends past just varifications so ima keep an eye.

Hi Profitis, have done that exact experiment and with many other noble metals. You do get a little bit out of it.  I can show you a few other tricks like how to get a copper wire and create a potential between the two ends by coating it in specific areas with other conductors. There are another 101 experiments o do like creating current with two electrodes in a hydrogen environment in the presence of a magnetic field. I am not sure what your point is? the team of physicist, material scientist and chemists all agree there was no reach of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. These are brilliant scientists. Over 100 patents between them.
Even the disk I demonstrated in Holland, with latter data showed to be caused by a different effect. All within the laws of known science.
The most interesting device I am discussing with another research group not only produces electricity but cools the immediate environment down wen it does when in the presence of a magnetic field.


Note
1. The cost of The exotics does not make many of these financially viable to commercialize (specialist low output high value only)
2. They all have a limiting factor to be scaled that is the interaction to the environment and or energy used to create the materials through polling exceeds what can ever be extracted out.


No you won't finds this on Sterling's Site