Melnicenko self running device

[TinselKoala]

That video was made in May 2013 and I'd venture to say it was not made in 2007 or earlier. And further did NOT follow that schematic for the simple reason that there is no percievable airgap from the video !! Thank you for not bringing up the Joule Thief picture in this thread.

You would not be able to see the air gap in that video. Did you know, for example, that most TV flyback transformers have a tiny air gap in the ferrite loop? Can you see this gap in any videos of flyback transformer powered devices? It might be all of 0.004 inches of gap, with a tiny disc of paper or plastic in there to maintain the separation. The air gap in the device in the video could even be between the center core and the "cap" piece. You cannot tell from the video! Or at least, I can't.

The parts on the board in the video, that I can see, DO correspond to the parts in the 2007 schematic. Sure, there may be changes in the circuity that I cannot see,  but there are only so many ways to hook up a 78L05 regulator (looks like a small transistor), A 2n7000 mosfet (also looks like a small transistor), a TS34063 Dc-Dc boost converter chip (the 8-pin DIP) and a logic chip configured as an oscillator (the bigger chip). And you can see how many wires are coming out of the coil form.

I am not arguing for or against the "reality" of what is shown... although 2000 microFarads of capacitance charged to high voltage will run a couple of LEDs for a long time. I just think that there seems to be a close correspondence between what I know about circuitry _including JTs_, the video of the device, and the schematic from 2007. I can see how the schematic is supposed to operate and it makes sense. I think it charges the top left 1000uF cap to 12 volts as soon as you close that switch, and even after you open it the cap will keep the oscillator running for a while. The DcDc boost converter and/or the oscillator may be charging the other 1000 uF cap at middle right to a higher voltage than the 12 volt supply, and then the whole thing might be running off this cap for the length of time that the video covers. Maybe. Without building or simulating the circuit I can't tell more than that.
But if you think the device is constructed differently from the schematic given... why not trace it out for yourself and see where the differences are. Your not being able to see the air gap shown on the schematic doesn't mean much to me, because I can see where it _could be_ and some of those places are out-of-sight in the video.

You seem to be the one who is constantly referring to Joule Thiefs... why is that?

[bringdownthezog]

You would not be able to see the air gap in that video. Did you know, for example, that most TV flyback transformers have a tiny air gap in the ferrite loop? Can you see this gap in any videos of flyback transformer powered devices? It might be all of 0.004 inches of gap, with a tiny disc of paper or plastic in there to maintain the separation. The air gap in the device in the video could even be between the center core and the "cap" piece. You cannot tell from the video! Or at least, I can't.

The parts on the board in the video, that I can see, DO correspond to the parts in the 2007 schematic. Sure, there may be changes in the circuity that I cannot see,  but there are only so many ways to hook up a 78L05 regulator (looks like a small transistor), A 2n7000 mosfet (also looks like a small transistor), a TS34063 Dc-Dc boost converter chip (the 8-pin DIP) and a logic chip configured as an oscillator (the bigger chip). And you can see how many wires are coming out of the coil form.

I am not arguing for or against the "reality" of what is shown... although 2000 microFarads of capacitance charged to high voltage will run a couple of LEDs for a long time. I just think that there seems to be a close correspondence between what I know about circuitry _including JTs_, the video of the device, and the schematic from 2007. I can see how the schematic is supposed to operate and it makes sense. I think it charges the top left 1000uF cap to 12 volts as soon as you close that switch, and even after you open it the cap will keep the oscillator running for a while. The DcDc boost converter and/or the oscillator may be charging the other 1000 uF cap at middle right to a higher voltage than the 12 volt supply, and then the whole thing might be running off this cap for the length of time that the video covers. Maybe. Without building or simulating the circuit I can't tell more than that.
But if you think the device is constructed differently from the schematic given... why not trace it out for yourself and see where the differences are. Your not being able to see the air gap shown on the schematic doesn't mean much to me, because I can see where it _could be_ and some of those places are out-of-sight in the video.

You seem to be the one who is constantly referring to Joule Thiefs... why is that?

Did you or did you not get that this device has been replicated since 2007 ? Simple question.

[conradelektro]

Did you or did you not get that this device has been replicated since 2007 ? Simple question.

@bringdownthezog:

1) It is impossible to know in which year the contraption shown in video has been built. Do you have any facts that support a certain date for the build?

2) It is impossible to know from watching the video how the contraption works and whether it is OU or not. Do you have any facts which would support OU or anything unusual (anything that could not be explained by common knowledge)?

3) It is impossible to know from your posts what your point is. Do you think the contraption shown in the video is really an OU device? If you think it is, what are the facts which would support this opinion?

My opinion: it is impossible to draw any conclusion from the video, there are no useful facts disclosed. Therefore it is a waste of time to speculate. If you have any facts, please post them.

Greetings, Conrad

[bringdownthezog]

@bringdownthezog:

1) It is impossible to know in which year the contraption shown in video has been built. Do you have any facts that support a certain date for the build?

2) It is impossible to know from watching the video how the contraption works and whether it is OU or not. Do you have any facts which would support OU or anything unusual (anything that could not be explained by common knowledge)?

3) It is impossible to know from your posts what your point is. Do you think the contraption shown in the video is really an OU device? If you think it is, what are the facts which would support this opinion?

My opinion: it is impossible to draw any conclusion from the video, there are no useful facts disclosed. Therefore it is a waste of time to speculate. If you have any facts, please post them.

Greetings, Conrad

Hi Conrad,

You have to do your own research. Let us know when you're done and can add value to this discussion. 

Thank you.
BDtZ

[Pirate88179]

Hi Conrad,

You have to do your own research. Let us know when you're done and can add value to this discussion. 

Thank you.
BDtZ

So, this is your way of answering "No" to all of Conrad's questions then?

Bill