Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte

[norman6538]

Butch's suggested test works.
I just did it with 3 inches of bar. With ceramics the attraction goes away but there is no repel
and with my small button neos there is a slight repel.

I'm working on understanding that strangeness but maybe I really don't need to know.

But where I still have problems is with the measurement of the sliding force.
I have been fooled too many times by the feel in my hand when I actually
used weights to do the moving. And you have to use foot pounds to know the real
work done. weight times distance.

Butch suggested testing magnets with a gap/spacer on a fridge and mine all stay put
and do not slide down. I also used a moving arm and a magnet over metal and it wants to stay put and takes work to move it. The closer and stronger the more work it takes.

Norman

butch said.

Norman, round up 4 square bars and put two magnets in one pair as shown in the drawing. Now
let the empty second bar set be pulled to the set with the magnets in it. Now slide in
Pseudo Solid fashion one magnet to the empty bar set and slide it above the remaining
  magnet that is in the lower bar set. Now notice the two bar sets repel each other. You
  never have to rotate the magnets at all. They stay both North poles side by side the
   entire time.

[gammarayburst]

Norman, Think of the frig magnet this way. You take a small toy car with hard wheels and drill a hole through the top and all the way through and out the bottom. Now place your magnet in the hole and secure it so that there is an air gap of 1/32" or 1/16" between the magnet surface and the frig door surface.
Now put the car on the frig front door with the front of the car facing to the ground and let it go. It will rocket to the bottom of the door. I promise.
Butch

[norman6538]

Butch was right about the car with wheels. I took a matchbox car and removed the body
and drilled a 1/4 hole through the flat bottom and inserted a neo and stacked two larger ones on top for extra strength. Sitting on top of an electrical plate which is heavier than the matchbox car and magnets it will pick up the plate but tilted about 45 degrees it will roll right off the plate. If there is no magnet it will roll off with very little tilt. Thanks Butch for getting me through this. The gap between the neo and the elec plate is less than 1/8 inch.

Norman

[gammarayburst]

Great job Norman! The reason is does not roll off when the plate is at a few degrees is I feel because the pull of the magnet is putting a binding or high friction load on the wheel bearings and maybe a flat spot on the tires.
Want to see it really go at just a few degrees? Put the magnet in a bar of soap and wet the steel and soap.
You are probably getting a slight amount of eddy current drag also. That is eliminated  in the design through new materials science, coated powdered iron in pressed form for example.
Also I have attached drawing to help everyone.
Thanks Norman,
Butch

[norman6538]

Testing past the feel. The car weighs 38 grams and with the neos it takes about
185 grams to lift it off the metal. With the magnets the car can be roll started/towed with 20 grams. Without the magnets on a wood surface the car  can be roll started/towed with 5 grams.
So we can see how much work it would take to switch the attraction on and off. The next measurement needs to be how much work can be done with the switching off and on.
Then we know if this is an OU devce for sure. I'll work at that but maybe someone will beat me to it. I have to think through the measurement setups and my brain works in spurts on and
off.

One real gotcha is at a distance we loose a lot of power.
And we pay for switching two times - once on and once off.
If we get over the gotchas then Butch has succeeded very well.

Norman