Can a PMM rotor generate enough usable electricity to escape the "sticky point"?

[carlprad]

Hello everyone

Is it possible to generate enough electricity/power from the spin of a PMM rotor, to escape the dreaded "sticky spot"?

For example, a TOROID generator does not introduce friction and can be an amazing amplifier. (If I am not mistaken.)

So, can a single turn of a PMM rotor generate enough energy to then power a device that pushes the "stator" past the "sticky spot"?

Or, maybe if you get the rotor spinning to the necessary RPM's, by hand, will it then be self-sustaining with the proper form of energy generator concept?

The TOROID is simply one idea. I'm really hoping someone will have a better idea for harvesting the most out of rotor spin and the most efficient way to spend that energy on getting past the "sticky spot".

I am currently working with the V-GATE rotor paradigm.

Thank you everyone in advance.

Carlos

[LibreEnergia]

Hello everyone

Is it possible to generate enough electricity/power from the spin of a PMM rotor, to escape the dreaded "sticky spot"?

For example, a TOROID generator does not introduce friction and can be an amazing amplifier. (If I am not mistaken.)

So, can a single turn of a PMM rotor generate enough energy to then power a device that pushes the "stator" past the "sticky spot"?

Or, maybe if you get the rotor spinning to the necessary RPM's, by hand, will it then be self-sustaining with the proper form of energy generator concept?

The TOROID is simply one idea. I'm really hoping someone will have a better idea for harvesting the most out of rotor spin and the most efficient way to spend that energy on getting past the "sticky spot".

I am currently working with the V-GATE rotor paradigm.

Thank you everyone in advance.

Carlos

It is not possible. Field theory is on absolutely correct on this point. Magnetic fields are conservative making it impossible to build a working PMM where the prime motive power is derived from the magnets alone.

Don't waste your time.

[TechStuf]

LE is right about one thing,  "don't waste your time".  As for a magnetic field being conservative, it is until it isn't. "they" also said that a vehicle cannot move down wind, faster than the wind, using only the power of the wind.....yet today they now do so at 3 times the wind speed (and more). 

"they" also said steam power was conservative.  Yet Griggs's hydrosonic pump puts out appreciably more energy as heat than it takes in as electricity.

No.  Magnetic fields are not only conservative.  They are relatively conservative.  Big difference.  The V-gate doesn't work because it's researchers are not adequately apprised of the methodology necessary to properly exploit the scales and modalities of efficiency required to see positive gains.  The V-gate makes very poor use of magnetic flux energy. 

Instead of thinking, "how can I make magnets move themselves eternally?"  Think, "How can I move magnets the least to make their fields change the most?"

Then comes the "aha".....

And then, one is encouraged to dwell on the perpetual aspects.




TS

[LibreEnergia]

LE is right about one thing,  "don't waste your time".  As for a magnetic field being conservative, it is until it isn't. "they" also said that a vehicle cannot move down wind, faster than the wind, using only the power of the wind.....yet today they now do so at 3 times the wind speed (and more). 

"they" also said steam power was conservative.  Yet Griggs's hydrosonic pump puts out appreciably more energy as heat than it takes in as electricity.

No.  Magnetic fields are not only conservative.  They are relatively conservative.  Big difference.  The V-gate doesn't work because it's researchers are not adequately apprised of the methodology necessary to properly exploit the scales and modalities of efficiency required to see positive gains.  The V-gate makes very poor use of magnetic flux energy. 

Instead of thinking, "how can I make magnets move themselves eternally?"  Think, "How can I move magnets the least to make their fields change the most?"

Then comes the "aha".....

And then, one is encouraged to dwell on the perpetual aspects.




TS

All very well, but you've never built one that works or even have any idea how to go about it do you?
The math cannot be disputed. If we accept that the field theory models magnetism accurately then there is no possibility of a working PMM.

You need to show how the math is wrong, and then I'd accept there is some possibility of devising a working device.

[TechStuf]

The math cannot be disputed.

lol.  Only with those who've already judged it indisputable.

but you've never built one that works or even have any idea how to go about it
do you?

And here I thought we were going to be "homies"....

TS