Overunity (what is it?)

[TechStuf]

Same with the Hydrosonic pump.  There is a video on youtube showing how the cavitation has been maximized.  A slow motion video showing what occurs in the cavities on the rotor.

I doubt that even Griggs's device scratches the surface regarding the efficiencies possible in this area.


Regards,


TS

[tinman]

Same with the Hydrosonic pump.  There is a video on youtube showing how the cavitation has been maximized.  A slow motion video showing what occurs in the cavities on the rotor.

I doubt that even Griggs's device scratches the surface regarding the efficiencies possible in this area.


Regards,


TS

Yes i watch the slo motion video. That was preaty cool seeing the water contained within each cavity,boiling away.
Things like this may lead to what we call OU event's.Maybe the extra energy is contained within the water itself? It is said that a glass of water containes enough energy to power a city for a day.It is 2/3s hydrogen,so what if we could split each hydrogen atom contained within that glass of water?.This may be a different type of hydrogen atom than that used in bomb's-i dont know,im no chemist.

TechStuf
If we could get hold of one of those efficien drum design's,then this would be quite a simple machine to throw together.

[tinman]

Not that I am aware of.

As you have stated, when it is done it is for only a short time,, then someone identifies the causality and the mystery is solved.

Energy is a tool to describe, measure and compare *anything* and as such it can not be created nor destroyed,, this unique measuring stick we call energy.  When something comes along and "appears" to be OU all that means is that "we" do not see all of the inputs to the system and that is what this tool tells us,, it does not tell us it can not be done,, it tells us that we are missing something.

As a tool then, it does not need to be perfect, it only needs to provide a reasonable approximation of events.  It does not "predict" any outcome by itself, the user must ask the question with all of the understood parts in place.

I interchange between a 14mm and a 9\16 socket all the time,, a 1\2 and a 13,, not perfect but they do a reasonable job,, I can not ask the great theory of energy what a baseball is going to do just by presenting the baseball to the theory,,  the theory can not even tell me that it is a baseball because the theory is a tool to use to find what is hopefully a common answer.

Well Webby,that would have to be one of the best answers i have ever read.It also lines up with the conclusions on the other forums i posted this subject on.
The mass so far seem to agree,that OU is realy an unknow power/energy source at work.
One has to wonder then,who actualy decided that an OU device was a device that produced more power than it consumed?.
Maybe if we get enough people here agreeing with this definition of overunity,along with the many others from the other two forums that came to the same conclusion-we could rewrite the definition of overunity?.

[ramset]

OU is perspective
If I take A Nickel From Tinman [with out him knowing]
And buy an icecream
I get OU .......[till I get caught]

Turns out The least is the most [isn't that Biblical?]
see here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-FeswwGNQ

thx
Chet

[MileHigh]

This is something that I am transferring over from the other thread:

no !! because of the high tide and the low tide with the influence of the moon and the sun
so the speed rotation  of the earth decrease

I intentionally did not mention the tides and the Moon being thrown away from the Earth and leap seconds and all that stuff to try to simplify the discussion.  That's sometimes a fine line and you might be on the wrong side.

The basic fact remains that planets in orbit or planets rotating about their axes are not in any way related to over unity or free energy.  That seemed to get sidetracked in the discussion.  You simply can't point to the planets in orbit and cite that as an example of over unity or free energy.   Same thing for the electron orbits around nuclei.

As far as the notion goes that if you found an over unity device then you would be forced to conclude that the process is being driven by a hitherto unknown source of power, it makes sense on face value but I am not a fan of it.  Firstly, there are no known over unity devices.  Secondly, I think the last unknown form of power was radioactive power and Madam Curie discovered and quantified it in the 1920s.  So there is a school of thought that says we believe right now that we understand all of the forms that energy can take.  Of course there is always the "you never know" factor, no matter how small the possibility.  But it's not worth worrying about right now.  The first task is to get empirical evidence that you have an over unity device.

Look at the case of all of these alleged over unity motors.  A motor is just coils and contacts and magnets.  If you had an over unity motor you should be able put a scope to the coil output and say, "This coil output waveform is clearly showing a voltage x current waveform that shows extra energy because I know ahead of time how much energy it should show and it's showing more than the measurements indicate it should show."  This is the kind of reality investigation that this stuff requires but you never see it.  You say the motor is outputting over unity mechanical energy?  Fine then let's take a serious look at the guts with our scope and pin-point exactly where the extra energy manifests itself.  I asked poor Doug Konzen that very question a few times and he went ballistic on me every time.

If it is really and truly there then it has to be dissected and deconstructed right down to the ground.  In other words a full tear-down and analysis.  So you analyze every movement of a lever or rotation of a rotor, every charging of a coil, every push on a magnet to find out where the over unity is.  Mysterious "black boxes" and inventors with unstable personalities are not the way to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

MileHigh