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How to make multiple Kicks

Started by Neo-X, November 23, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

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Farmhand

When I look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQXXodFVUCA&list=PL6C331C42D1367DE1 and others like it I see a big box under there that could contain a powerful transmitter or a rotating powerful magnet.

Hoppy did the toroid looking thing lighting a bulb, there is nothing to believe, do I think Hoppy faked the light, no the light was real I think. No one can prove or disprove anything really, we all can only suspect of what we see, one way or the other. When another person shows a device and how it works I will believe it, until then it is a fake as far as I am concerned. Things can be faked in many ways. An average magician/illusionist could likely put on such a demonstration, they do even more striking tricks than that. Do we believe what we see the illusion artists display is really done as they suggest. Not me.

Anyway good luck to those who try whatever they try. I give my opinion and make no apologies for that.


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cheappower2012

Ok guys this tpu is fake in my opinion,the garage tpu,here is how it could possibly be done.
The point of this was not to show that some tpu's are fake but to eliminate them from
using them as reference points,this was not understood by my former tpu replicator members,they
got upset that I attacked there hero SM.
All parts SM could get at the local radio shack in 1996.What I do is compile information,to
show commonality and eliminate
the tpu's that are fake,the 4 inch tpu is fake also,I have built it and tested it,it also is made from
parts SM could get in 1996.
One thing in the garage when SM is plugging in lamps,all he had to do was remove the ac wires
from the house going to the ac Receptacle,put insulators on the ends of the wires.
Then put a wire across the ac Receptacle creating a short,then screw everything back together,
in the short video the home made
lamp has a sealed lead acid battery,and an inverter ,SM could, in 1996, get both at radio shack.
The Receptacle i plug my lamp into has a wire across the connections,a short,there is no ac power there.
I believe you are dealing with a real device in the tpu,so because I can make fakes doesn't mean
that I think the tpu is fake only certain ones.

Hoppy

Quote from: cheappower2012 on December 05, 2013, 05:49:16 AM
Ok guys this tpu is fake in my opinion,the garage tpu,here is how it could possibly be done.
The point of this was not to show that some tpu's are fake but to eliminate them from
using them as reference points,this was not understood by my former tpu replicator members,they
got upset that I attacked there hero SM.
All parts SM could get at the local radio shack in 1996.What I do is compile information,to
show commonality and eliminate
the tpu's that are fake,the 4 inch tpu is fake also,I have built it and tested it,it also is made from
parts SM could get in 1996.
One thing in the garage when SM is plugging in lamps,all he had to do was remove the ac wires
from the house going to the ac Receptacle,put insulators on the ends of the wires.
Then put a wire across the ac Receptacle creating a short,then screw everything back together,
in the short video the home made
lamp has a sealed lead acid battery,and an inverter ,SM could, in 1996, get both at radio shack.
The Receptacle i plug my lamp into has a wire across the connections,a short,there is no ac power there.
I believe you are dealing with a real device in the tpu,so because I can make fakes doesn't mean
that I think the tpu is fake only certain ones.

When you originally posted this method of faking, I gave you full marks  ;D

However, I disagree with you about the big TPU being genuine. There is simply not enough good quality video footage to even begin ruling out the possibility of faking.

I admire Bruce's dogged perseverance studying the TPU and if anyone is going to crack the code, then I hope it will be Bruce. Personally, I'm so convinced that its all a put-up job that I would not spend good money trying to replicate an SM style TPU that self-runs. Lets hope Bruce can make me eat humble pie.

Farmhand

I think Tariel and SM use the same playbook, "the long con" in slightly different forms.

Link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

QuoteIn Confessions of a Confidence Man, Edward H. Smith lists the "six definite steps or stages of growth in every finely balanced and well-conceived confidence game."

"One follows the other with absolute precision. In some games one or more of these acts, to use a theatrical comparison, may be dropped out, but where that happens the game is not a model one. The reference to the stage is apt, for the fine con game has its introduction, development, climax, dénouement and close, just like any good play. And this is not the only analogy to the drama, for the scenes are often as carefully set; the background is always a vital factor. In the colorful and mirthful language of the bunko man, all these parts of the game have their special names. I give them with their definitions:

Foundation Work
The preparations which are made before the scheme is put in motion, including the elaboration of the plan, the employment of assistants and so forth.

Approach
The manner of getting in touch with the victim—often most elaborately and carefully prepared.

Build-up
Rousing and sustaining the interest of the victim, introducing the scheme to him, rousing his greed, showing him the chance of profit and filling him so full of anticipation and cupidity that his judgment is warped and his caution thrown away.

Pay-off or Convincer
An actual or apparent paying of money by the conspirators to convince the victim and settle doubts by a cash demonstration. In the old banco game the initial small bets which the victim was allowed to win were the pay-off. In stock swindles the fake dividends sent to stockholders to encourage larger investments are the pay-off.

The Hurrah
This is like the dénouement in a play and no con scheme is complete without it. It is a sudden crisis or unexpected development by which the sucker is pushed over the last doubt or obstacle and forced to act. Once the hurrah is sprung the victim is clay in the schemer's hands or there is no game.

The In-and-In
This is the point in a con game where the conspirator puts some of his money into the deal with that of the victim; first, to remove the last doubt that may tarry in the gull's mind, and, second, to put the con man in control of the situation after the deal is completed, thus forestalling a squeal. Often the whole game is built up around this feature and just as often it does not figure at all.

In addition, some games require what is called 'corroboration', which means what it says. This is important in games where a banker or other shrewd customer is to be the victim."

MileHigh

I think that Bruce stated that he has read all of the Steven Mark writings and they are pretty extensive.  I can't be sure but if we assume that Bruce got most or all of his theory for electronics and electromagnetics and the operation of the TPU from what Steven Mark wrote, then that has set up an incorrect framework or knowledge base for Bruce.  There are a lot of far out and invalid concepts that form the basis for the alleged operation of the Steven Mark TPU.

In looking at this clip by Bruce you can see some of the various concepts expressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYfopAv945w

The basic idea proposed is that high-voltage standing waves in his long back and forth transmission line will liberate electrons and they will collect on a multi-strand aluminum wire anode that's at a high potential.

He says, "(the electrons landing on the cathode) will add current to our collectors, and the current itself will assist in producing more current and more voltage."

It would be nice if current could spontaneously produce more current and more voltage but that doesn't happen in the real world.  Also Bruce discussed the voltage nodes in the transmission line standing wave and stated that they will give off electrons. There is no logical reason for that to happen.  In the clip, the fundamental thing to note is that the external voltage source (on the right side of each diagram) is the power source for getting the electrons to move from the cathode to the anode.  So the tube in Bruce's diagram is a passive load for the external voltage source and it's the external voltage source that supplies the electrons that are liberated off of the heated cathode.  The battery or AC source that heats up the cathode is not the source of the electrons that flow through the tube, all that that power source does is heat the cathode filament.

Note also that as the electrons in the tube cross the gap from the cathode to the anode, they don't get accelerated to nearly the speed of light as Bruce states.  Rather, the get accelerated to a certain number of electron-volts as per the voltage of the external voltage source.  So if the external voltage source is 100 volts, then the electrons can get accelerated to 100 electron-volts of kinetic energy.  I assume that some electrons crossing the gap also hit the gas molecules in the tube.  So some electrons give up some of their electron-volts of energy like this and heat the gas.  Probably the most important thing to remember is that you can put the whole tube inside a black box and from the external power supply's point of view, the tube simply looks like a resistor, with it's associated current flow and voltage drop.  (Note there are no control grids in the tube schematic shown by Bruce, so it's a passive tube that just dissipates power.)

So the mechanism for the TPU is simply far fetched and the underlying concepts expressed by Bruce, presumably from the Steven Mark writings, are simply not valid.

Now I know that this is probably going to upset Bruce, but the standard request is always there:  If you think that you have something then please by all means go ahead and demo it and prove your case.  A good start would be a well made, well documented video where all of the steps and all of the measurements are clearly shown.  If you need a power input then fine and of course you must have a load.  The power input measurements and the power output measurements are of utmost importance and you should pay extra attention to that.

MileHigh