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How to make multiple Kicks

Started by Neo-X, November 23, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

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forest

#15
November 26, 2013, 04:52:39 AM
Thank You Bruce for that explanation .You has shown what I proposed long time ago but was of course unable to measure due to my small experience and very crude tools.  The point is even without current flow there is something which align electrons spins and create magnetic field for free , that is what also Leedscalnin show with his experiments.

MileHigh

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November 26, 2013, 07:08:17 AM
Bruce:

What does your magnetic pickup consist of and how is it connected to your scope channel?

You can be holding a scope probe in your hand and let it drop six inches onto your bench top and you will sometimes observe a glitch on the scope display when the probe tip makes contact with your bench top.  So you have a long way to go to explain what you are really seeing.

Your biggest mistake is saying, "the spikes must be from current flowing in the wire."  That is almost certainly wrong and there are other possibilities to consider before you say that it's due to current flow in the wire.  Logic is telling you that any appreciable current is not flowing in the wire, so there is a whole series of tests for you to do so you can rule out other explanations before you even consider current flowing in the wire.

If you view the wire as a component in the ambient environment then there is some parasitic capacitance between the wire and the ambient environment.  That implies the wire can be charged to a given potential relative to the ambient environment and hold a minuscule amount of charge.  It's possible in a case like that to make a glitch appear on a scope display when you touch a scope probe to the wire.  You see a glitch due to potential, not current.  A minuscule amount of current flows when the scope probe touches the wire when it is charged to a potential relative to the ambient environment, but that current is so tiny it's likely to be immeasurable with conventional bench equipment.  You are seeing a voltage glitch in this case, not a current glitch.  Are you sure that something akin to this is not what is happening when you see the glitches?

Forget about the Earth's magnetic field as being part of the explanation.  It's the same type of mistake when you assume that the Earth's magnetic field is responsible or related to any spike effect when logic is telling you that's not the case.

In your second clip you are using your finger and touching the wire when you make contact with the scope's calibration output signal.  That pretty much invalidates that experiment because you are touching the setup with your finger and disturbing it.

The truth is you are observing glitches on your scope and you don't have a true explanation for why you are seeing them.  You are simply imposing what you expect and want to see on what you are observing and leapfrogging past the true investigation that you should be doing to figure out what is going on.

MileHigh

Bruce_TPU

#17
November 26, 2013, 08:05:02 AM
Quote from: MileHigh on November 26, 2013, 07:08:17 AM
Bruce:

What does your magnetic pickup consist of and how is it connected to your scope channel?

You can be holding a scope probe in your hand and let it drop six inches onto your bench top and you will sometimes observe a glitch on the scope display when the probe tip makes contact with your bench top.  So you have a long way to go to explain what you are really seeing.

Your biggest mistake is saying, "the spikes must be from current flowing in the wire."  That is almost certainly wrong and there are other possibilities to consider before you say that it's due to current flow in the wire.  Logic is telling you that any appreciable current is not flowing in the wire, so there is a whole series of tests for you to do so you can rule out other explanations before you even consider current flowing in the wire.

If you view the wire as a component in the ambient environment then there is some parasitic capacitance between the wire and the ambient environment.  That implies the wire can be charged to a given potential relative to the ambient environment and hold a minuscule amount of charge.  It's possible in a case like that to make a glitch appear on a scope display when you touch a scope probe to the wire.  You see a glitch due to potential, not current.  A minuscule amount of current flows when the scope probe touches the wire when it is charged to a potential relative to the ambient environment, but that current is so tiny it's likely to be immeasurable with conventional bench equipment.  You are seeing a voltage glitch in this case, not a current glitch.  Are you sure that something akin to this is not what is happening when you see the glitches?

Forget about the Earth's magnetic field as being part of the explanation.  It's the same type of mistake when you assume that the Earth's magnetic field is responsible or related to any spike effect when logic is telling you that's not the case.

In your second clip you are using your finger and touching the wire when you make contact with the scope's calibration output signal.  That pretty much invalidates that experiment because you are touching the setup with your finger and disturbing it.

The truth is you are observing glitches on your scope and you don't have a true explanation for why you are seeing them.  You are simply imposing what you expect and want to see on what you are observing and leapfrogging past the true investigation that you should be doing to figure out what is going on.

MileHigh

MileHigh I am so far advanced from what I posted it is not even funny.  Got away from the magnetic sensor and said I moved on to a 10 ohm resistor and a circuit and a scope. 

You try experimenting for once in your life and do your own testing.  I have my own agenda of experiments I am running and have nothing to prove to anyone ESPECIALLY you!   :o

Oh...one more thing... if you think my magnetic sensor is picking up my fingers on the wire, than you are even dumber than  I already thought!   ::)
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Bruce_TPU

#18
November 26, 2013, 08:12:19 AM
Quote from: forest on November 26, 2013, 04:52:39 AM
Thank You Bruce for that explanation .You has shown what I proposed long time ago but was of course unable to measure due to my small experience and very crude tools.  The point is even without current flow there is something which align electrons spins and create magnetic field for free , that is what also Leedscalnin show with his experiments.

Thank you Forest.

I posted that SMALL bit of information for experimenters to work with..(not for those who talk and jabber and never post a single experiment.   PC heroes is all they want to be.  Good for nothing but hot air)

You must figure out how to make more of the kicks and how to combine them.   ;)

Happy hunting!

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

MileHigh

#19
November 26, 2013, 08:51:48 AM
Bruce:

You are "advanced" in your own impression of where you think you are but that's not the reality.  Nor am I dumb, and saying, "you are even dumber than I thought" is just theater on your part.  You always thought that I was dumb and now you think I am dumber?  Really?  Have you read some of my postings from time to time?  Does what you say make sense in the context of reading several of my postings?

When you are touching the wire with your finger you are disturbing the circuit from the resistance and capacitance associated with your finger!  Your "circuit" is very high impedance and the touch of your finger could indeed disturb it.

So you are still at square one.  All that you know is there is essentially zero chance that the spike you observe has something to do with current flowing through the wire.  Can you really and truly figure out the explanation for what you are looking at, or do you run away and just believe what you want to believe?   Ultimately the answers to questions like this are up to you.

And I have thousands of hours worth of work done on he bench.

MileHigh
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