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How to make multiple Kicks

Started by Neo-X, November 23, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

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Magluvin

#95
December 02, 2013, 01:22:10 AM
Quote from: Reiyuki on December 02, 2013, 01:07:10 AM
 
(Questions for Bruce)
- Would a Bifilar series coil have any useful effects when used as an emitter or collector?  (Just trying to save time on winding variants)


I only used a bifi because I had it wound already with a 3rd strand.  I aimed for the resonant freq of my bifi, thus the clean sine wave out with square in.  So bifi might be smoothing off the spikes or absorbing them, if they were occurring in my tests. I will try some more tomorrow with just 1 strand of the bifi for output and see if there are spikes. The Ill move on to using a 'switch' for on and off as Bruce just posted.

Mags

Bruce_TPU

#96
December 02, 2013, 01:34:12 AM
Quote from: Reiyuki on December 02, 2013, 01:07:10 AM
  Just a couple tips for tinkerers and a couple questions for B.  This is in regard to Bruce's attached file on single-wire kick generation.


(Tips for others)
- Kicks start showing up around 10khz at 2v and builds off/on past 1mhz.  In general, the higher frequency the stronger the results.  My function generator does 20v P/P to about 2mhz.
- Square waves only.  Sine waves generate no output whatsoever.  AC/DC bias does not seem to matter for simple test.
- Positive (+) lead wire only.  Yes, seriously.  Leave the other lead open.  Capacitive coupling seems to do the rest.
- Receiver coil: Any small coil seems to work well.  I used a ~200 turn 1"dia aircore solenoid.  Higher inductance = lower frequency = easier scope pickup.  A relay coil, solenoid, or aircore inductor may work.
- Kick output reaches several volts with an antenna/ground.  Can light LED's with the above receiver coil in parallel.  Again, this is driven 1-wire open-circuit and is quite a sight to see.

My guess is that you also are NOT using a switch.  Start with a "switch", slow down and you can use freqs in the Hz, sine wave or any other kind of wave that RIDES ON THE SURFACE of the wire.

(Questions for Bruce)
- Would a Bifilar series coil have any useful effects when used as an emitter or collector?  (Just trying to save time on winding variants)

You are jumping way too far ahead!  Slow down, understand WHY you are seeing what you are seeing at higher frequencies.  It is not hard, and I have already said.

- Assuming the 'freed electron' theory was right, I figured you could direct/accelerate them with a bias magnetic field like a CRT electron gun, or particle accelerator.  So far, all I can seem to get is an extra volt of hash on top of the bias mag fields.  Perhaps the B field just isn't strong enough?(24V3A)
  Should the bias field(s) be pulsed/rotating/resonant as well?
- It's interesting the role caps play interacting w/ kicks.  Series arrangements seem generally more useful than parallel; parallel seems to kill the dipole.  Thoughts?

OF COURSE the "freed electron" theory is correct.  It is Steven's theory and he spent decades working on this...lol

Why are you concerned with a "bias" field?  SLOW down, and concentrate ONLY on the following to start, or you will not get very far....
1.  Learn to make kicks
2.  Learn to make "bigger" kicks (DEFINED by stronger magnetic field!)
3.  Learn to make "more" kicks
4.  Learn to "combine" them for REALLY BIG kicks.  (Defined as REALLY BIG combined MAGNETIC kicks)

5.  It is not hard...
I am NOT going to tell you where I am....Only where I have been and show you the road ahead.  The rest is up to you and others.  I am VERY busy with my own experimenting every day.   ;)


Happy testing all.

/Rei

Hi Rei,

My answers above in bold.  Good job experimenting.   ;)
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Magluvin

#97
December 02, 2013, 01:39:12 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on December 02, 2013, 01:02:12 AM
You have no switch. ..wont work.



Well, I just went by what is said in the schematic, as it said square wave in just below the switch. ;)

Mags

Bruce_TPU

#98
December 02, 2013, 01:45:29 AM
Quote from: Magluvin on December 02, 2013, 01:39:12 AM
Well, I just went by what is said in the schematic, as it said square wave in just below the switch. ;)

Mags

INITIALLY, yes square wave but WITH a switch...  You choose...

Manual....
Reed....
Relay...

JUST to start and learn what you are doing.  Once you put a on/off switch in place, then you can try ALL KINDS of things and work on what I posted to REI.

But honestly,  what I have seen on this forum, is most people get "bored" with something and move on to the next project.  (except me and a very FEW others...lol)

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

MileHigh

#99
December 02, 2013, 01:52:16 AM
Bruce:

So you are putting up a link to a clip and then saying to ignore the conclusions in the clip.  You have a running monologue going in the clip so how are we supposed to know what to listen to and what to ignore?  That's an issue for you to contemplate that's related to the issue of you not documenting yourself properly.

You can call me a "talking head" but in fact you know that I have made many postings that do a pretty decent analysis of somebody's circuit or video clip.  I have already told you this but I will repeat that I have thousands of hours worth of experience on an electronics bench.

There is a chance that the "kicks" are just capacitively or inductively coupled voltage spikes due to glitches or switching events.  Those are perfectly normal occurrences that happen all the time and usually nobody pays attention to them.  If that's true then it would be a good exercise to try to figure that out.

I have a suggestion for you.  Perhaps you can make a new "kick" clip where you show a schematic and document yourself properly.  You have to stand by what you say and not say that your conclusions may change.  You are using a resistor?  You notice that you provide no details about that.   That's a huge problem with you that needs fixing if you want to get your message out.  Exactly how are you using a resistor, what is the setup?

One thing for sure is that you are not getting any energy from the Earth's magnetic field.  Nor are you getting or observing any kind of passive energy amplification.  If you have an isolated piece of wire and you bring it up to a high potential, then when you touch a scope probe to it you see what looks like a capacitor of a few picofarads discharging to the ground potential of the scope.  That would look exactly like a spike so what is really going on in your experiments is still far from determined at this point.  The fun challenge is to figure out what is going on.

So I hope that you can make a new, well documented clip complete with a a schematic, with conclusions that you will stick by.  Then we can collectively try to figure out what is going on.  The reality is that there is a very good chance that your original conclusions will change as we work to figure out what is going on.

MileHigh
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