Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets

[norman6538]

Floor you did a nice job with the principles and the drawings but the missing piece is the measurements of those principles. What it takes to be useful is "a small force that can release a larger force". I did not find that in any of my measurements. But in your last drawing there might be some hope because it is like the Flynn parallel path principle so if you got  measurements to bear out that easily moving the magnets on wheels (with measurements) will activate a larger force and then you are not stuck at that point then OU will be possible.

I have a matchbox car  with the body removed that has a low floor and when I put a 1/2 inch neo on the floor it will stick to the metal cabinet door in the horizontal position but
when the car points to the floor it drops down to the floor but
if I increase the magnetic field with a harddrive arc shaped much stronger
magnet it just hangs there and will not drop. Butch claims that is due to friction
but in the later case the magnet is heavier and maybe could overcome the eddy currents
but it does not.



Norman

[Floor]

@gammarayburst

               No problem. I'll insert another explanation / drawing.

                         Cheers
                                floor

                         

[gammarayburst]

@gammarayburst

               No problem. I'll insert another explanation / drawing.

                         Cheers
                                floor

                         

Floor, Please also mention that eddy currents can be eliminated with the use of eddy current resistant ferromagnetic materials and several other ways.
Thanks so much Butch

[Floor]

@ Norman6538

             Yes I agree, you are correct, in stating that measurements need to be taken and presented.

             Yes I agree, you are correct, no measurements were "here" presented, that is, until you presented your match box
             car experiment.

             As to why your match box car didn't roll down the refrigerator with the stronger although heavier neo magnet, but did
             roll down with a weaker although lighter magnet?


            You have just presented measurements, restated butches theory, and stated your own theory.

  Your observations?

  1. The weaker and lighter magnet, under your test conditions, did not create more resistance to the rolling of the match box car than
the combined weight of magnet and car.

  2. The stronger although and heavier magnet, under your test conditions, created more resistance to the rolling of the match box car than the combined weight of the car and the stronger / heavier magnet could over come.

   Your conclusions ?

  1. The lack of movement of the stronger and heavier magnet was due to eddy currents and not friction.

                              Have I understood your experiment / observations and conclusions correctly ?
                              Please understand, I'm not trying to "put words into your mouth".

   My observations, suggestions, comments
 
                OBSERVATIONS
    1. Eddy currents can only be produced, under the conditions in your experiment WHILE one of the magnet is in MOTION.
    There fore, friction MUST be the cause of the NON motion during the stronger / heavier magnet and car test, unless there is
    some unknown or factor not presented in your findings / test.

                SUGGESTIONS
     1. Modify your experiment by using a metal surface (a carpenters saw? ) that can be easily rotated from a plumb
     orientation into a level orientation.
     2. Suspend each of the "test vehicles" from the saw, while the saw is level in two planes (broad sides up and down)
     3. Tape, tie or rubber band some weights to the cars until gravity pulls them from the saw.
     4. Reposition the saw into a plumb orientation and repeat step 3.
     5. Optionally, pull each car and magnet arrangement along a metal surface and then pull each one directly (at 90 degrees) from
     the metal surface.
     6. Note under which conditions a greater weight was required to move the car and magnet.
     7. Post the observations.

                COMMENTS
     1. Your "experiment" and it's presentation could have been valuable to this discussion, and could easily have added valid
     information (confirmation or disproof) to the discussion, but did not.
     2. Instead, (excepting your assertion, an assertion made repeatedly in the other title for this topic ?) that measurements
     need to be made, has detracted from the discussion.
     3. Elementary experimentation, as well as conventional scientific explanation, easily demonstrate  the validity of the pseudo solid
     principles.  Note I did not say Over unity.
     4. Your "experiments" conclusions are wrong, you methods and observations are incomplete and flawed.
     5. The stronger magnet must have crushed the wheels of the hot wheels car into contact with the car's body
     preventing their rotation ?
     6. Poor or worse yet, phoney measurements, are misleading and there fore worse than no measurements.
     7. A GOOD critic is valuable, indeed an asset, please be one.

                             Thanks
                                  floor

[gammarayburst]

Floor you did a nice job with the principles and the drawings but the missing piece is the measurements of those principles. What it takes to be useful is "a small force that can release a larger force". I did not find that in any of my measurements. But in your last drawing there might be some hope because it is like the Flynn parallel path principle so if you got  measurements to bear out that easily moving the magnets on wheels (with measurements) will activate a larger force and then you are not stuck at that point then OU will be possible.

I have a matchbox car  with the body removed that has a low floor and when I put a 1/2 inch neo on the floor it will stick to the metal cabinet door in the horizontal position but
when the car points to the floor it drops down to the floor but
if I increase the magnetic field with a harddrive arc shaped much stronger
magnet it just hangs there and will not drop. Butch claims that is due to friction
but in the later case the magnet is heavier and maybe could overcome the eddy currents
but it does not.



Norman

Norman, a magnet can not be held in place by eddy currents when it is standing still. Eddy currents only happen when their is movement of the magnet relative to the the ferromagnetic material. I have shown countless times with video that a 1" grade 48 NIB magnet will move with the slight push of the finger when balanced between two bars in a "floating" position. The magnet was even brushing up against the bars a slight amount and still moved with ease. Pseudo Solid movement with very little work is real. You just need to build a rigid precision fixture to illustrate it. The car on frig door is not the way to do it because the magnet is not floating with equal and opposite forces on it's poles. Also, I have illustrated many ways the magnets can be moved from repulsion to attraction one at a time through the end of the bars to reset the cycle. I don't have the money any more to build this, maybe someone on the site will. Also, eddy currents can be reduced to next to nothing by using the right materials and fabrication.
Butch